Newsvine
  • Welcome
  • Help
  • Report Bug
  • Conversation Tracker
  • Your Column
  • Replies
  • Friends
Type Comments Since You Last CheckedArticle Source Last Checked Stop Tracking All Clear Tracking All
Advertise | AdChoices
Log In | Register
Close the Login Panel
Existing users log in below. New users please register for a free account.

New Users:

Existing Users:

E-Mail:
Password:
Forgot Password?
Please enter the e-mail address or domain name you registered with:
E-Mail/Domain:
Back to Login
Log Out
  • Top News
  • Local News
  • World
  • U.S.
  • Sports
  • Politics
  • Tech
  • Entertainment
  • Science
  • Business
  • Health
  • Odd News
  • More
    • Arts
    • Education
    • Environment
    • Fashion
    • History
    • Home & Garden
    • Not News
    • Religion
    • Travel
Visit jfxgillis's column >>

JFXGILLIS

Correctly Political: Essays and Commentary
Articles Posted: 120  Links Seeded: 1512
Member Since: 3/2007  Last Seen: 5/17/2012

What is Newsvine?

Updated continuously by citizens like you, Newsvine is an instant reflection of what the world is talking about at any given moment.

Get a Free Account
Help
Fun Stuff
  • Your Clippings
  • Leaderboard
  • E-Mail Alerts
  • Top of the Vine
  • Newsvine Live
  • Newsvine Archives
  • The Greenhouse
  • Recommended Articles
  • Wall of Vineness
Put a Seed Newsvine link on your own site

Greece must default if it wants democracy - FT.com

Seeded on Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:42 PM EST
Read ArticleArticle Source: FT.com
religion, greece, fuck-the-banks, greek-bailot, greek-phone-bailout
Seeded by jfxgillis
Advertise | AdChoices

When Wolfgang Schäuble proposed that Greece should postpone its elections as a condition for further help, I knew that the game would soon be up. We are at the point where success is no longer compatible with democracy. The German finance minister wants to prevent a “wrong” democratic choice. Similar to this is the suggestion to let the elections go ahead, but to have a grand coalition irrespective of the outcome. The eurozone wants to impose its choice of government on Greece – the eurozone’s first colony.

  • Enjoy this article? Help vote it up the 'Vine.

Published to:

  • jfxgillis's Column, All of Newsvine
  • Groups: Absolutely No Boundaries, Chickens Little, ClassWar, Committee of Public Safety , Das Krapital, DemGuys, Down With Tin Horn Dictators, Election 2012, Election News, Future World, Hall of Mirrors, Historical Vine, Left of Center, NYTimes Forums Refugees, Occupy Wall Street, OWS Consolidarity, Political Economy , rationalists, The X Committee, To MSNBC, Tricuspidata, US News and Views , Utopia, World News and Views, You Couldn't Make it Up!
  • Regions: Atlanta
  • Public Discussion (7)
jfxgillis

I'd shorten that headline if I were editor:

Greece must default

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:44 PM EST
caltha-palustris

It must exit Euroland, if it is to survive.

It's unbelievable that this has been news for the last 4 years. Germany's finance minister is preparing for such an outcome. Apparently, the econ-blogosphere is a buzz about the fact that somehow Frau Merkel missed the memo.

Marshall Auerback is saying the very same thing you are.

  • 4 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:35 PM EST
jfxgillis

caltha:

It seems like ... stupid. And I don't think I'm really missing anything:

1. Germany says "We give you money, you give that money to our banks, you surrender democracy and you rebuild from destitution."

2, Greece says, "@!$%# you." Then Germany bails out their own banks, Greece rebuilds from destitution but they keep their democracy.

Why isn't "@!$%# you" the best outcome for the Greeks between those two alternatives?

  • 4 votes
#2.1 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:54 PM EST
caltha-palustris

Why isn't "@!$%# you" the best outcome for the Greeks

Jack, Auerback is saying exactly that...but not in such stark, colorful terms. No one has been listening to him over the last 3 1/2 years.

I read somewhere - forgotten where - that in the last week Minister Schaeuble was preparing Germany for such an outcome - but Chancellor Merkel was saying publicly quite something else. If I weren't so lazy today, then I'd search for the link and post it for you.

However, and apparently, (as per Bloomberg, today) he's changing his tune too.

  • 3 votes
#2.2 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:28 PM EST
jfxgillis

caltha:

he's changing his tune too.

Of course. Germany gets to do to Greece now what Hitler couldn't accomplish.

That's not a Godwin's law violation. Hitler did try to but failed to conquer Greece. If this deal is imposed, Merkel will have tried and succeeded.

  • 3 votes
#2.3 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 7:47 PM EST
caltha-palustris

Jack,

You'll get a kick out Tyler Durden...I'm assuming you haven't read his recent blog entry... yet.

  • 3 votes
#2.4 - Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:17 PM EST
Reply
Infohack

That's the peril of a county giving up it's sovereign currency.

As well as allowing Goldman-Sachs to cook the books to hide your deficit.

  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:38 PM EST
Leave a Comment:
You're in Easy Mode. If you prefer, you can use XHTML Mode instead.
You're in XHTML Mode. If you prefer, you can use Easy Mode instead.
(XHTML tags allowed - a,b,blockquote,br,code,dd,dl,dt,del,em,h2,h3,h4,i,ins,li,ol,p,pre,q,strong,ul)
Newsvine Privacy Statement
As a new user, you may notice a few temporary content restrictions. Click here for more info.
FUN STUFF:
  • Leaderboard |
  • E-Mail Alerts |
  • Top of the Vine |
  • Newsvine Live |
  • Newsvine Archives |
  • The Greenhouse |
COMPANY STUFF:
  • Code of Honor |
  • Company Info |
  • Contact Us |
  • Jobs |
  • User Agreement |
  • Privacy Policy |
  • About our ads
LEGAL STUFF:
  • © 2005-2012 Newsvine, Inc. |
  • Newsvine® is a registered trademark of Newsvine, Inc. |
  • Newsvine is a property of msnbc.com