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Correctly Political: Heavy Lifting in the Zeitgeist

Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:12 PM EST
politics, obama, romney, election-2012, most-recent-article, chrysler-super-bowl-ad, 2012-super-bowl-ads, super-bowl-ad-analysis, zeitgeist-usa
By jfxgillis
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It has been my contention for years that identifying the American Zeitgeist by way of the commercials run during the Super Bowl is a noble and dignified pursuit (no matter how ignoble and undignified the ads themselves may be) but that many critics approach it the wrong way. I think of it as something like a Wisdom of the Crowd phenomena: A bunch of Mad Men in ad shops independently, indeed, secretly, trying to grasp the Zeitgeist end up hitting or missing bits or pieces of it. Motifs and images seem to spring out across multiple ads. Sometimes one ad perfectly encapsulates the Spirit of the Times, but frequently not. This year, there is one such ad, but it's not one of the ads being gossiped about, forwarded by e-mail with "LOL" in the subject line, or superficially dissected by Susan Page of USA Today. It's the General Electric ad about their turbine factory in Schenectady, New York: 

GE, "Power and Beer"

 


The Zeitgeist this year: Industry.

It's kind of an old-fashioned term, so a good deal of the subtext is associated with nostalgia, but that's more the vessel of the Spirit rather than the contents. In addition to the GE ad's factory, the factory in the Bud Platinum ad is clean, fresh and modern:

Bud Light Platinum.- Factory

 

while the sweatshop in the Budweiser Prohibition ad is period (or, almost--I don't think working conditions in garment factories then were quite as nice as Budweiser would have it appear):

Budweiser - Return of the King

 

The Spirit we're looking for is again to make things. Not sell things (did anyone even notice the Century 21 ad "starring" Donald Trump or did the E-Trade Baby do anything for you this time around?). Not do things like run with new shoes or account for our taxes with a free spreadsheet.

 

Whether it's funny, like the engineering lab in Bridgestone's Basketball Factory:

The engineers at Bridgestone with their new Performance Basketball

 

or portentous, like the the factory from which the Lexus GS erupted:

Lexus GS - Beast

 

it's the idea of the making of things that seemed to touch us this year. Of course, the capstone of that theme is the already-much-debated Chrysler ad featuring Clint Eastwood:

 

Chrysler - It's Halftime in America.

 

According to the Reuters dispatch immediately after the game, the patriotic and/or the partisan-political implications leapt out:

The Eastwood ad generated online buzz for its emotional appeal and comments that it looked like an Obama re-election commercial from Chrysler, recipient of a taxpayer funded-bailout.

and I must admit, as a voter for and supporter of President Obama, I giggled as the ad played, recognizing the harmony it rang for Obama with an issue that must surely be raised in the election this year. But on further reflection, I realized that that was not necessarily the case.

For one thing, if that's the Zeitgeist, as I claim, then it's each candidate's responsibility to touch it, and it is open for either or all to align with it. In the instant case of the automobile industry, yes, it might be easier for Obama than for his opponents to capture it. But I can easily imagine methods by which Republican, Libertarian, Green or Democratic candidates could all fold their appeal into the idea of making things, of craft. So Karl Rove should reconsider. As should those Democrats who think this is a slam dunk.

That bodes ill, for example, for those who might be tarred with the brush of the middleman taking a cut rather than the maker of things. Didn't see any ads for the Big Banks this year, did you? (Except for this, which doesn't tout the core functions of the financial sector). And it is by no means a given that Obama can successfully evade the tag as the President beholden to Wall Street. Whether China-bashing is unruly and dangerous protectionism or not, it touches something in our yearning to make things again and it might well be an effective approach for candidates in the Fall.

 

In any event, I get the feeling that we're all in a mood to do some heavy lifting:

Budweiser - Return of the King

 

and then relax afterward with a cold beer. Maybe not Budweiser, though. I hear the entire United States Senate will be drinking Smuttynose, New Hampshire's craft beer.

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jfxgillis

At first I thought "The End is Nigh" might be the Zeitgeist because of that Chevy truck ad, but I was wrong.

  • 10 votes
Reply#1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:22 PM EST
IDFeb89

Jack,

Thanks. we don't get those here.

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:30 PM EST
philipe

In all honesty, all the ads sucked. Especially the Coke polar bear ones.

My daughter, in her infinite wisdom, informed me that most teenagers and young adults do not watch that much TV anymore. Therefore the art of creating TV ads is declining. I disagreed and she asked if I saw any ads for the new cell phones of Apple and AT&T? Uh...nope. How about any other ads that would appeal to her generation? Uh...nope. Then I got the "gotcha" look. The younger generation spends their time on the net and that's where they get their product info. Could be she is right..

  • 7 votes
#1.2 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 5:27 PM EST
Infohack

...young adults do not watch that much TV anymore. Therefore the art of creating TV ads is declining.

That probably has more to do with the demographic of Super Bowl audience, which makes the idea that the American zeitgeist can be discerned from a handful of ads aimed at one segment of the population somewhat less likely.

Television advertising these days is all about data mining:

The iconic ad man of the 1950s and 1960s, as exemplified by Don Draper in "Mad Men," never met an account he couldn't snag over a three-martini lunch. All it took was the sheer force of rogueish charm and tossed-off ideas that somehow tapped perfectly into the zeitgeist.

But the advent of digital media has changed the equation completely, says Redpoint Ventures Partner Chris Moore. Now ad buying is about crunching terabytes of data to create complex algorithms that would have made Don Draper reach for another glass of scotch.

WSJ - In Advertising Biz, Mad Men Giving Way To 'Math Men'

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 6:19 PM EST
philipe

That probably has more to do with the demographic of Super Bowl audience,...

Perhaps I should have stated it more clearly. Kids do watch some TV but on the net. My kids download their preferred shows and watch them when they feel like it. They tune out most of the ads or yak to their friends on iPhones during the ads.

The several people I watched the game with are late middle aged and everyone was disappointed with the advertisements. One of my friends said a great ad would have been the chairman of GE or Coke taking a minute to tell America what his company was going to do this year to increase hiring, keep prices down, turn out a better product and preach about how his firm was working to help America in this time of economic turmoil. Don't you think the Chrysler ad would have been better if the CEO of Chrysler starred in their ad instead of Eastwood? It worked great for Iacocca.

  • 6 votes
#1.4 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 6:36 PM EST
jfxgillis

phil:

How about any other ads that would appeal to her generation?

Who did she say Madonna was intended to appeal to?

  • 5 votes
#1.5 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 6:54 PM EST
Wheel

...people my age Jack. The woman is 53!

  • 4 votes
#1.6 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 7:11 PM EST
jfxgillis

Wheel:

You cradle-robber!

  • 6 votes
#1.7 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 7:15 PM EST
philipe

jfxgillis

Who did she say Madonna was intended to appeal to?

Half-time shows are meant to appeal to the broad audience. That's why Madonna had a supporting cast of entertainers that appealed to the younger crowd.

Also, does anyone really pay attention to half-time shows anymore? The only major press they get is if a nipple is revealed or an entertainer gives the finger ala M.I.A. and then the attention is post game. I'm waiting for an old rocker to stroke out on the half-time stage. Now that would be real entertainment!

Half-time is also the time for going to the john, getting a plate filled with food, opening up more beers and stretching your legs.

  • 4 votes
#1.8 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 12:43 PM EST
nolagrrl

I agree with the author's thesis of using expensive advertising (which includes Madonna and other half time shows) in an attempt to understand America.

American Studies discipline is the academic arm of these theories, using analysis of popular culture to predict trends in American thought.

On the other hand, the mainstream media has died of irrelevance. Those under 30 go to the web for information and cultural anchors.

I think this next election is going to be a watershed in the use of social networking versus traditional TV ads, with TV ads and spending becoming less important to elections. All that corporate money down the drain.

Electronic tampering with votes is the new indicator. The greater the efforts to suppress citizen rights, the bigger the backlash from citizens. Returning veterans will also be a source of dissent from rights suppression.

Interpersonal connections matter more than authority, and communalism is on the rise. Younger people do things in groups. The post WWII lone wolf and the nuclear family aberrations. Pre WWII extended families and communities are the new paradigm.

  • 3 votes
#1.9 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 1:49 PM EST
jfxgillis

nola:

On the other hand, the mainstream media has died of irrelevance. Those under 30 go to the web for information and cultural anchors.

Not so fast. All that means is that those media will be absorbed into the popular culture. They'll eventually get mainstreamed, too.

Half my students watched these ads on youtube. But they still watched the ads.

  • 3 votes
#1.10 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 1:58 PM EST
philipe

...with TV ads and spending becoming less important to elections.

Oh really? Read this and this and this.

  • 3 votes
#1.11 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 2:41 PM EST
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spiffie

A marked improvement over the zeitgeist two years ago.

  • 7 votes
Reply#2 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:38 PM EST
jfxgillis

spiff:

Whether it's my article or the Zeitgeist you're referring to, Thanks.

I shut everything down and just wrote today--for once I was gonna get my Super Bowl article up on time.

  • 7 votes
#2.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:51 PM EST
spiffie

The zeitgeist, of course. :)

"Let's get building!" is a lot more positive that "Ugh, @!$%#ing women ruined all my manly fun."

  • 8 votes
#2.2 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:02 PM EST
jfxgillis

spiff:

And you know, the idiot critics are mostly panning the slate of ads this year.

Not enough nut crunching and only two notable pairs of heaving bosoms.

  • 9 votes
#2.3 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:07 PM EST
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Ed-2160927

First time to read your review and is well executed. The one thing about GE I found is that their little ad about turbines is pure bull. Watching the BBC the other day GE is planning on a new jet engine plant in china. And they say nothing of their engine works in Brazil that produces diesel electric engines and ships them back to the US. Belevenot job creators ha Ha.

  • 3 votes
Reply#3 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:49 PM EST
jfxgillis

Ed:

Welcome!

The one thing about GE I found is that their little ad about turbines is pure bull.

Good point, but ... ummmm ...

The fact that it's pure bull doesn't mean it's not in the Zeitgeist. I didn't even wanna link that local-to-Michigan Senate ad with the cartoonish Chinese accent by Hoekstra that everyone's buzzing about (which is what I was referring to with that bit about China-bashing), but I'm afraid it could be effective even if it's loathesome.

  • 8 votes
#3.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:55 PM EST
Ed-2160927

Note taken but I find the actions of these corporations who put on one face and then turn around and stick it to the nation disgusting.

  • 3 votes
#3.2 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:08 PM EST
Infohack

The Hoekstra ad was incredibly offensive. The original ad is embedded in this Washington Post story, if anyone wants to see for themselves:

Pete Hoekstra's China ad provokes accusations of racism

The Stabenow camp has a good response ad, and a pretty savvy staff - they were sharp enough to immediately buy AdWords so that when you Google "Hoekstra ad" a link to their ad shows up in the sponsored results.

  • 3 votes
#3.3 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 4:07 PM EST
jfxgillis

Info:

Thanks. Adding that WaPo link above is a good compromise between giving Hoekstra hits he doesn't deserve yet citing my evidence.

  • 6 votes
#3.4 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 4:09 PM EST
caltha-palustris

Infohack,

The Hoekstra ad was incredibly offensive

Not only that - but it was incredibly misinformed, too.

Hoekstra can't add.

The biggest holders of US debt are American individuals, institutions, and Social Security.

  • 9 votes
#3.5 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 7:46 PM EST
GA GUY

The Hoekstra ad was not intended to be factual...];-}

  • 3 votes
#3.6 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 1:23 AM EST
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madvargr

I hear the entire United States Senate will be drinking Smuttynose, New Hampshire's craft beer.

I don't think that was the bet.

The loser will buy beers from the winner’s home state for the entire Senate.

This beer was made in New York City! Get a rope... ;)

I sure hope you are right though - I'm tired of the USA being a parasite economy dependent on low paying Chinese import sales and services to support the ever increasing banking casinos.

As for the GOP whining about an Obama ad, it was the current crop of GOP leaders and candidates who chose to bailout the banks while telling the Auto Industry and the rest of Unionized America to @!$%# off. Exactly what else are they to do, having already painted themselves into the corner, but double down on the rhetoric? Romney could come out and flip-flop back to a "I support Detroit" stance, but we do have him on record numerous times as saying the auto bailouts were a mistake. Same with the rest of them - they have no choice but to stay the course, even if there is a huge waterfall ahead.

PS.

Didn't see any ads for the Big Banks this year, did you? (Except for this).

Was this supposed to be a hyperlink??

  • 5 votes
Reply#4 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 2:55 PM EST
jfxgillis

mad:

Get a rope? In Boston we don't kill ourselves by hanging when our teams lose, we jump off the Mystic River Bridge.

As for the GOP whining about an Obama ad, it was the current crop of GOP leaders and candidates who chose to bailout the banks while telling the Auto Industry and the rest of Unionized America to @!$%# off.

It's almost mind-boggling. It's bad faith so profound I can't wrap my head around it. After three years of trashing Obama's crisis response to an ongoing catastrophe, now they want to complain because they know their fictional narrative won't stand up to the real narrative?

ETA

Was this supposed to be a hyperlink??

Yes it was, The Chase Ad. Thanks, I'll fix it now. I had so many videos running at once I froze my frickin' computer and had to cold boot out.

  • 8 votes
#4.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:03 PM EST
madvargr

Get a rope?

It was a play off of the old Pace commercial...

I had so many videos running at once I froze my frickin' computer and had to cold boot out.

Firefox, my man, Firefox. My desktop currently has 104 tabs open... This is coming from my Netbook, which only has 9 tabs open right now - admittedly none are video, but keep em paused when they're in the background. (although on the desktop quite a few of the "pictures" are animated gif files running away). I've also found that my Linux box is far more forgiving than the Windows XP is. My wife's Vista box is a POS, but my new desktop runs Windows 7 and is surprisingly robust for Microsoft....

It's bad faith so profound I can't wrap my head around it.

I am giving up debating them anymore. I tend to find myself agreeing more and more with the Rude Pundit. They've become so disingenuous and fake in their day to day actions and words, I feel like Holden Caulfield, which is sad since I turned 42 on Saturday...

  • 6 votes
#4.2 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:24 PM EST
jfxgillis

Mad:

I was writing in Firefox but had most of the videos running in Chrome just so I could have something like a "clean sheet of paper" in front of me in the text window. Call me weird.

  • 7 votes
#4.3 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:39 PM EST
Reply
Louie Lou

Great seed, jfxgillis

  • 5 votes
Reply#5 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 3:56 PM EST
jfxgillis

Louie:

Thanks!

  • 7 votes
#5.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 4:10 PM EST
newbroom

dood...it's not a seed....sheesh....let's get with the terminology around heah..

  • 1 vote
#5.2 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 6:00 AM EST
Reply
Better Careful

Thank you, jf. I had not thought of this model. I certainly hope you're correct.

Good work.

  • 3 votes
Reply#6 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 4:18 PM EST
jfxgillis

Better:

Thank you!

  • 3 votes
#6.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 4:22 PM EST
Reply
belle42

I hate to say it, but all the ads you mentioned SUCKED!! What about mentioning moon-walking dogs and slingshotting a baby in a bouncer? THOSE were the ads that people were watching, not these boring wanna be ads who wasted their money and our time with their yawn-inducing fodder!

  • 2 votes
Reply#7 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 6:19 PM EST
jfxgillis

belle:

Um. Actually, the ads you mentioned sucked. Same, boring, predictable and tedious "humor" half the ads have tried to slither by on for 25 years now.

  • 4 votes
#7.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 7:03 PM EST
belle42

to each their own then -- the party I was at preferred the commercials I mentioned (but then again, the women took over the remote at half time and we fast forwarded through a lot of the third quarter while the guys were still outside) :P

  • 2 votes
#7.2 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 7:09 PM EST
mymymy

belle,

I'm a soccer fan now:)

  • 1 vote
#7.3 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 5:51 PM EST
Reply
Paying Attention

Nice article. For some reason it reminded me of my old Irish boss at Holiday Inns back in the early 70’s. He returned, very agitated, from a corporate meeting regarding restructuring.

The company was changing methodology and renaming the Advertising department to the Marketing department.

He entering, stating, “Look out folks, the world is about to change. We are about to be possessed by the Dream Merchants!”

  • 5 votes
Reply#8 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 6:19 PM EST
jfxgillis

Paying Attention:

Your old Irish boss was a smart man!

  • 5 votes
#8.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 7:04 PM EST
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mymymy

jfx,

Regarding the Chrysler ad:

Would it be inconvenient if I mentioned that Chrysler is 58.7% owned by Fiat (an Italian company)? Or that Detroit is under the threat of being taken over by the state of Michigan due to poor fiscal management? I guess if that's the pattern Clint wishes to convey as an inspiration to America, it's his (cough cough) choice, but highly inconducive to, um, re-election.

Overall, though, a well thought-out article, and up to your usual standard. (not that I would know)

  • 3 votes
Reply#9 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 6:31 PM EST
jfxgillis

mymymy:

Would it be inconvenient if I mentioned ...

Not at all.

It doesn't really matter to the Zeitgeist, though. To put it another way, the Capital structure isn't the point (who owns what). It's the Labor that matters (who makes what).

That's why Hoekstra's ad featuring a Chinese person bragging on the stuff they make now and Clint Eastwood bragging on the stuff Chrysler makes now tap into the same sentiment.

  • 5 votes
#9.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 7:00 PM EST
mymymy

jfx,

So, is Chrysler bragging about the stuff it makes in Canada and Mexico and Venezuela and Egypt?

  • 3 votes
#9.2 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 10:15 PM EST
jfxgillis

mymymy:

That would kinda ruin the ad, doncha think? Who would do the ad in Canada if they had a Super Bowl? Austin Powers?

  • 4 votes
#9.3 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 10:38 PM EST
CapnJohnSmith

Brendan Fraser eh.

  • 2 votes
#9.4 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 12:53 AM EST
Reply
Vlad's dog

I was happy not to share the ad mens take on America, beer or a great party. I had a super Sunday and the only bowl I saw was my soup bowl.

  • 5 votes
Reply#10 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 9:14 PM EST
spiffie

I went grocery shopping right after kickoff. No lines!

  • 6 votes
#10.1 - Mon Feb 6, 2012 9:21 PM EST
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lisaed

Jack---I'm with those that felt the ads largely were a big bore this year.....the game on the other hand.....ROCKED!! (Sorry)

Anyhow---I love your take on this year's crop of "industry ads......you should have sent this in to Ad Week. Very well done. (PS---I was among those who in real time had a knee jerk--no way, obama---reaction to the "Chrysler--Eastwood" spot. The similarities between Karl Rove and me sometimes are truly frightening.

  • 4 votes
Reply#11 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 2:41 PM EST
jfxgillis

lisa:

the game on the other hand.....ROCKED!! (Sorry)

Ha. No worries. First of all, Giselle speaks for all of us. Second of all, listening to the radio callers and my students (two excellent bellweathers), our response has had surprising, even shocking equanimity. One kid had a friend text him from somewhere the NFL owns asking "What will you do now?" The answer: "Go watch the Bruins win a Stanley Cup."

The similarities between Karl Rove and me sometimes are truly frightening.

You're scared? Since my kneejerk matched your kneejerk and your kneejerk matched Karl Rove's, by the rule of identity, my kneejerk matched Karl Rove's.

HELP!

  • 5 votes
#11.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 2:57 PM EST
Wheel

I think that's the Transitive property.

If A=B and B=C then A=C.

  • 4 votes
#11.2 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 3:05 PM EST
lisaed

Since my kneejerk matched your kneejerk and your kneejerk matched Karl Rove's, by the rule of identity, my kneejerk matched Karl Rove's

Jack: Two words: Evil Genius. If the shoe fits? I'll wear it.

  • 4 votes
#11.3 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 3:07 PM EST
jfxgillis

Wheel:

Roger.

I'm a wordsmith, not a math whiz.

  • 5 votes
#11.4 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 3:12 PM EST
jfxgillis

lisa:

Since the genius is given, we only have to work on the evil part.

  • 5 votes
#11.5 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 3:14 PM EST
Wheel

With Rove I don't think the genius is a given, though I will grant the evil.

I was just reading up on transitives, not just numbers but verbs too, came across an interesting and new (to me) thing. Verbal valences, had never heard of that before.

  • 5 votes
#11.6 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 3:21 PM EST
jfxgillis

Wheel:

He got George W. Bush elected President of the United States of America.
Repeat:

President.
Of.
The.
United.
States.
Of.
America.

  • 5 votes
#11.7 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 3:36 PM EST
Wheel

Well yeah,but with help from the Supreme court, right?

  • 4 votes
#11.8 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 3:38 PM EST
lisaed

He got George W. Bush elected President of the United States of America

Jack: Indeed. Twice. We don't call him the "architect" for nothin.

  • 4 votes
#11.9 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 3:41 PM EST
jfxgillis

Wheel:

You know I'm student of Machiavelli, right?

Rove achieved his objective. End of story.

  • 5 votes
#11.10 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 3:44 PM EST
lisaed

Rove achieved his objective

Jack: And he remains one of the few contributors to fox news worth listening to.

  • 2 votes
#11.11 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 3:56 PM EST
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Infohack

I had to think about this for a day or so to really comment on the substance of the article.

The premise is about as good as any, given that I don't believe the American zeitgeist can be accurately gauged by finding a common them running through Super Bowl ads, for many reasons. The audience is too narrow a demographic, there are too many subject areas that are off-limits, and media is becoming increasingly diversified, to name a few. And if you are a proponent of Carl Jung and believe that there is a collective unconscious element expressed through the zeitgeist of a nation, the fact that between pre-release of ads and Tivo, media is increasingly no longer experienced in real time further dilutes it's impact on society.

But more importantly you have taken a relatively small cross-section of ads, found a common thread, and tried to prove a trend. Granted, your sample includes arguably the ad with the most impact, the Chrysler ad, but in going back and reviewing ads so that I could form a response, the main theme I picked up on was nostalgia, of which industry is merely a subtext.

There was a veritable parade of classic characters rolled out for this season's ads. Volkswagen's "Star Wars," Honda's Ferris Bueller, Acura's Seinfeld, Metlife's cavalcade of classic 'toon characters, the Budweiser period-themed montage. Even Chrysler's use of the gravelly-voiced Clint Eastwood himself is reminiscent of "Dirty Harry."

There was also a liberal use of 80's and 90's music themes in many ads - Kia's use of Mötley Crüe, Audi's Echo and the Bunnymen's "The Killing Moon" soundtracked vampire ad, the Budweiser ad with the rap song using the Cult's "She Sells Sanctuary" as the sampled hook. Even a David Beckham underwear ad with a throwback 60's Animals track.

In as much as Americans are nostalgic for a time when the country had a strong manufacturing base, I think you hit on one part of this year's theme, but I don't think your analysis went far enough. I didn't watch all the ads, I really don't pay much attention during the game and don't have the patience to sit through every ad on YouTube. But that's my alternative theory and I'm sticking too it.

Thanks for inspiring me to think deeper about the topic, though, professor. It was an enjoyable mental exercise.

  • 4 votes
Reply#12 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 7:21 PM EST
jfxgillis

Infohack:

the main theme I picked up on was nostalgia

I don't disagree that. At all. In fact, my train of thought started on exactly that track. But then I thought, nostalgia for what? I frame-by-framed the Budweiser Prohibition and ad and thought, "@!$%#. Nostalgia for a sweatshop? You kidding me?"

Now that I'm writing again (and might therefore finish it) I should mention that I have a half-year-old half-written article on the "New Ideology of Nostalgicism" arguing that the current Right/conservatives/Republicans have adopted Nostalgia as an animating ideology not in the way that all conservative movements always have, and probably should always adopt--that is what "conservative" is--but in a new way, thoroughly abstract and totally divorced from the concrete objects that are the substance of nostalgia.

Which is to say, it's not nostalgia for an older time, place, or thing, it's nostalgia for its own sake, nostalgia as an end, not a means.

So, I think you're onto something good.

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#12.1 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 7:47 PM EST
Infohack

thoroughly abstract and totally divorced from the concrete objects that are the substance of nostalgia.

Too often it's nostalgia for a revisionist history.

Which is to say, it's not nostalgia for an older time, place, or thing, it's nostalgia for its own sake, nostalgia as an end, not a means.

That's difficult to warp my head around. Something akin to Luddism?

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#12.2 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 8:04 PM EST
jfxgillis

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That's difficult to warp my head around

I'm trying to wrap my head around it myself, which is why it's half-written. But maybe this'll help me.

But No, I don't think Luddite works because the Luddites at least had a material object and time in mind and a clear set of definable interests.

But take the Harry Reid re-election campaign. The mainstream Republican, Sue Lowden lost to the looney-tunes Tea Party candidate, Sharon Angle, in the GOP primary before Angle lost to Reid (whew). And one of the reasons the mainstream candidate lost the primary is because she spouted some absolutely incoherent something about Doctors and Chickens, then wouldn't back down, which dragged it out and weakened her. Again, this was the mainstream candidate, not the freaky fringe one.

If you brush her nostalgia with a feather, it totally collapses. There's literally nothing to it. Never mind the fact that she grew up in Philly, went to college in D.C. and spent her adult life in Las Vegas as a tv anchorwoman, and therefore probably never saw a live chicken in her life. Or the economic stupidity of referencing a barter economy that hasn't existed to any measurable extent since Mark Twain lived in Nevada.

The point is, when confronted on health care reform, her reflexive response was nostalgia. Nostalgia for what? How the @!$%# could she know? She grew up and lived her life in urban environments with modern medicine and employer-paid insurance either of her parents or later herself. Her response was nostalgia as nostalgia, as theory, as abstraction. There was no memory to it or even memory of memory like a family legend.

She just knew that nostalgia was the register she was supposed to hit, so she tried to hit it. And missed. And that got me wondering, how much of the conservative movement's nostalgia is similarly empty, but with it's emptiness hidden by reference to some nominal object? That is, they know "nostaliga is the register you're supposed to hit here at this point in the rhetoric," but they really don't feel it. So they show a picture of Norman Rockwell that they don't really connect to and move on.

But if you don't feel it, affection for a bygone time, place, thing or person, it's not nostalgia. It's a posture. To pull a semi-reverse Godwin, I think, for instance, that both Churchill and Hitler felt a real nostalgia for their respective countries 19th century glories.

Do I think Lowden felt a yearning for the days of Chickens and Doctors? No. Even all the Reagan nostalgia peddled by the current GOP crop has been demonstrated time and time again to be empty posturing. Reagan isn't a man, or a President, he's the idea of nostalgia the Republicans need.

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#12.3 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 9:19 PM EST
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Infohack

OK, gotcha.

That's what I was hinting at with revisionist history, but you're taking it even a step further. Look forward to the article.

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Reply#13 - Tue Feb 7, 2012 9:57 PM EST
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