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In her most provocative comments, the ex-Mrs. Gingrich said Newt sought an "open marriage" arrangement so he could have a mistress and a wife.
She said when Gingrich admitted to a six-year affair with a Congressional aide, he asked her if she would share him with the other woman, Callista, who is now married to Gingrich.
"And I just stared at him and he said, 'Callista doesn't care what I do,'" Marianne Gingrich told ABC News. "He wanted an open marriage and I refused."
How . . . . French.
You gotta be kidding me.
Hey Newt....remember when she told you that you'd regret it one day?......Day's here fool.
Isn't it always nice for the family values party to present living examples of why having a sleaze in public office isn't a good idea? Newt's just going the extra mile and taking this message to the grand stage. Hats off to you, Newt. Such a personal sacrifice for party, considering that you have no chance of being elected, and nothing to gain. (sarc)
Roy:
With apologies to Mark Twain, "I support traditional marriage so much, I've done it a thousand times."
What we have here is an angry bitter woman who is looking for her 15 minutes of "revenge".
A tempest in a teapot.
This seems rather tame when compared to the headlines monopolizing our thoughts at the time this affair was ongoing - had to do with an Oval office and some woman named Monica.
Jack, I'm surprised at this seed! Didn't think you were a 'scandal' man! :o)
Pat:
What we have here is an angry bitter woman
Yes. We know that.
The question is, of course, is it justified?
Ms. C:
It broke at the same moment Perry dropping out broke, and Yes indeed I do think they were causally-related events.
And you're wrong anyway. If a scandal is important, I follow it. If it isn't, I don't.
"Heaven has no rage like love to hatred turned. Nor hell a fury like a woman scorned."
William Congreve.
OMG, so when does an EX-WIFE have anything good to say about their EX-HUSBAND? This article is meaningless.
And you're wrong anyway. If a scandal is important, I follow it. If it isn't, I don't.
I was just teasing you, Jack. I forgot that you might not be acquainted with our British dry humour.
Or have you had a humour bypass? :o)
Patriot 8888
A tempest in a teapot.
Close, but no cigar.
There is also other breaking news.
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Patriot 8888
What we have here is an angry bitter woman who is looking for her 15 minutes of "revenge".
She could have taken her "revenge" at any point...Remember, Newt did @!$%# her over, while running on a plank of morality and family values... remember this is what he felt about his privilege to do what he publicly condemned as immoral;
"It doesn't matter what I do," he answered. "People need to hear what I have to say. There's no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn't matter what I live."
How very Roman Elitist of him. Your average Roman citizen was not decadent, they were in fact very pious polytheists...it was there leadership who preached virtue and held their orgies and vomitoriums nightly
A tempest in a teapot.
Nothing to see hear, move along move along LOL
This seems rather tame when compared to the headlines monopolizing our thoughts at the time this affair was ongoing - had to do with an Oval office and some woman named Monica.
Except Clinton was the president when he got a bj, and he never ran on a hypocritical moral family values platform that conservatives have constrained themselves. Newtie was sodomizing his girlfriend while his wife was at home while he was trying to take down the president for getting a bj...tame...that is rich...
Ms C:
Actually, my response to "scandal" a lot of people do find idiosyncratic and incoherent. Which is to say, I've gotten that "I'm surprised at you" response before from people who really were surprised.
OMG... NO! An ex-wife is pissed off and craps all over your parade?! I am sooooo shocked!
If we could just go deep enough, this would merely be the top of the pond scum.
What we have here is an angry bitter racist scum (Newton) who knows he is ultimately running against a black man in South Carolina.
He is no longer using his racist dog whistle...he is now blowing a racist air horn.
His talk about food stamps will send all the racist swine in SC running to the polls with their hoods and burning crosses in tow.
Newt Gingrich Lacks Moral Character to Be President, Ex-Wife Says.
Hell, we all knew that and we were never married to him.
What we have here is an angry bitter woman who is looking for her 15 minutes of "revenge".
A tempest in a teapot.
This seems rather tame when compared to the headlines monopolizing our thoughts at the time this affair was ongoing - had to do with an Oval office and some woman named Monica.
Why do you feel the need to attack her, oh I know, you're a Republican, typical.
He is no longer using his racist dog whistle...he is now blowing a racist air horn.
So are you saying that Mr. Gingrich hates only certain people on food stamps? Do explain.
Randy Murphy, post #1.15:
Newtie was sodomizing his girlfriend while his wife was at home....
First, do you KNOW that 'Newtie' was SODOMIZING... ?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/sodomizing : To subject to an act of sodomy, especially forcibly.
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/sodomizing : The word sodomy acquired different meanings over time. Under the Common Law, sodomy consisted of anal intercourse. Traditionally courts and statutes referred to it as a "crime against nature" or as copulation "against the order of nature." In the United States, the term eventually encompassed oral sex as well as anal sex. The crime of sodomy was classified as a felony.
I have a million things I could say against ANY ex of mine, but most of it is PRIVATE, and it is also years behind. I am sure there are things that any ex could say against me- what's the point?
1. It is passed- 2. It was private. 3. People change. 4. If a person is straight, gay, open-marriage minded, or believes on monogamy, is their choice, and does not need discussion by the world. Get out of peoples lives and bedrooms.
This is not to stand for or against Newt- he is not a person I would vote for or against at this point, as I have not fully decided how my vote will go- currently. This article and the whole topic, and ABC having this on, is all Bullzchit- what a joke ABC just made of themselves!!!
jfxgillis:: This is an important story? Post #1.18
If a scandal is important, I follow it. If it isn't, I don't
Here's why this important:
1. It's one thing to have an affair and another to have an affair while giving talks on family values and christian values.
2. Newt went further than that, he did it while calling for Clinton to step down over his affair.
3. Further still, he did so while he himself was Speaker of the house.
4. But wait, there's more... he was running around pushing family values, christian conservative values while simultaneously telling his wife he wanted to have his marriage and his younger lady on the side at the same time.
That's a hypocrisy hat-trick. WOW.
But sure, put Newt in the GOP driver's seat... I'm sure nobody is going to mention this at all over the next 10 months of this election year.
Or for the 4 years afterwards if on the completely crazy outside chance that he wins.
It's time to face facts, conservatives... NEWT GINGRICH will exterminate all the family values credibility the GOP has, even among the republican true believers, if he manages to win the general election.
Hey, but seriously folks... if that's the kind of guy the republican party comes to stand behind... what does it say about the level of hypocrisy alive and kicking in the GOP right now?
There's a scent in the air... and it's sure as heck not flowers.
randy....Newt is now Roman Catholic...I don't know what it really does for him, but I hope he doesn't get all Papal on us.
Politicians are full of hypocrisy. Kind of like promising hope and change. Personally, I don't care if Gingrich runs around in his bedroom naked singing yankee doodle. I do care about political positions only, and right now I'm feeling bent over and violated by the current Administration.
Ah, this will just bring out more republican supports for him.
What we have here is an angry bitter racist scum (Newton) who knows he is ultimately running against a black man in South Carolina.
He is no longer using his racist dog whistle...he is now blowing a racist air horn.
His talk about food stamps will send all the racist swine in SC running to the polls with their hoods and burning crosses in tow.
Ahh, a race baiter. Figured you guys would come out of the woodwork eventually. This is such BS, there is no racial thing here, as usual. There are more whites than blacks on foodstamps, so how can it be racist to talk about foodstamps? Newt did not say "black" people on food stamps, he said PEOPLE on foodstamps. If you're talking about ALL people on foodstamps, you are not talking about only blacks. Give me a break.
This seems rather tame when compared to the headlines monopolizing our thoughts at the time this affair was ongoing - had to do with an Oval office and some woman named Monica.
So... that makes this okay then?
Dude(tte), I personally have no problem with open marriages. I do, however, have issue with blatant hypocrisy in my elected officials. And while I would not list this as a sole reason not to vote for someone, Newt's "Moral Majority" pals, should the take this seriously, might feel differently.
Newt will never be President or nominee, if for no other reason, he looks like a toad and people are shallow. Even if he looked like Tom Selleck, he seems to go out of his way to upset people for the sake of upsetting them. This is just another nail in coffin that already had no chance of making it through the metal detector that is the primaries.
Get out of peoples lives and bedrooms.
Oh, how I wish the conservatives would take that advice to heart.
Gingrich/Palin, for the love o God & Country! : )
Damn, I'm gettin' a wave of patriotism all over!
Gingrich on blacks and food stamps.
http://www.newsvine.com/_vine/search?q=gingrich+satisfied+food+stamps+paychecks&sa=Search&cx=012943277593349087480%3Axx9wfuef0se&cof=FORID%3A11&searchIn=x
Newt Gingrich: 'African-American Community Should Demand Paychecks And Not Be Satisfied With Food Stamps'
http://an-uncommon-scold.newsvine.com/_news/2012/01/06/10007744-newt-gingrich-african-american-community-should-demand-paychecks-and-not-be-satisfied-with-food-stamps
http://illuminate.newsvine.com/_news/2012/01/05/9983496-newt-gingrich-ill-tell-african-americans-that-they-should-demand-paychecks-and-not-be-satisfied-with-food-stamps
http://redsfan.newsvine.com/_news/2012/01/08/10054635-black-man-confronts-gingrich-on-food-stamps-comments-stop-using-blacks-as-a-punching-bag
#1.5:Jack, I'm surprised at this seed! Didn't think you were a 'scandal' man! :o)
But aren't you glad he did! He-he.
As is newt needed this to take him out of the running! It's good to have it anyway because I just love gloating at this s.o.b.'s expense!
More, more I say!
If you're talking about ALL people on foodstamps, you are not talking about only blacks. Give me a break.
Give us all a break Deb.
Newton spoke about food stamps and the food stamp president and then in the next breath said he would like to address the NAACP about the problem. ( They are a black organization in case you didn't know)
The race baiter is Newton and his racist chum is floating all over the political waters around South Carolina.
George Bush set a record eight times in eight years as the president with highest number of people recieving food stamps. Did Newton ever call Bush the food stamp president?
Nah...he is white...
...'Nuff said
Gingrich/Palin, for the love o God & Country! : )
Damn, I'm gettin' a wave of patriotism all over!
Geez, what are ya smokin.
IDK if you're serious or not, A sane person wouldn't even think that without vomiting.
#1.25:Newt is now Roman Catholic...I don't know what it really does for him, but I hope he doesn't get all Papal on us.
Who cares which way the son of a bitch turns?!
ABC will be mum on Romney until he's the nominee.
I trust everyone realizes that essentially, there will be no difference between an Obama and a Romney presidency, and that's why the liberal press doesn't touch Romney.
You have to believe someone that actually "Knows him." Newt is about as slick and slimy as a politician can get. The guy is a crime boss with his hand out to grab ass on money, sex, or whatever. Would you want him to marry your daughter........?
Arkansas Gloria:
See below in a couple of places, but mostly here.
I try to keep the main conversation out of comment #1.
Why do you feel the need to attack her, oh I know, you're a Republican, typical.
Rather than questioning me, the question should be why did she feel the need to come forward at this time?
Perceived greatest impact to the detriment of her ex-husband, who may be on the cusp of winning a key state primary in his quest for the GOP nomination for President of the US?
or, why did ABC choose to trot out this dog and pony now? Max impact to what the MSM perceives as a true threat to BO's second coronation?
The MSM seems to truly fear Newt for some reason. They keep trying to convince the GOP electorate that they are better off with that amiable dunce Romney.
as another poster wrote:
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Just an interesting speed bump on the path to the Presidency. The public was forgiving of the proclivities of the Bill and Monica show and this will be no exception.
Policy and Performance are the key issues for 2012, not a humiliated ex-wife with an axe to grind.
Newt would treat our country like his mistress / mid-wife. And actually he did as Speaker.
Good luck finding one who doesn't lack some level of moral character.
This seems rather tame when compared to the headlines monopolizing our thoughts at the time this affair was ongoing
Really? Because that marriage is still intact.
Patriot: I'm surprised at you. Seriously. Moral character and the way one lives one's life (not just a buncha pretty lines in a debate) MATTERS......Calista better hope she never get sick. There's a pattern here with Gingrich and his wives when they fall seriously ill. He dumps them. That whore does not belong in our White House.
the liberal press doesn't touch Romney.
Rickeroo I can agree that the mainstream press is pretty screwed up. But a pretty good argument can be made that it doesn't cater to the left. There is so much important information that has never been given to the American public that would have put the screws to the right it isn't funny. And I am sure the case can be made for the other side. But it definitely doesn't prove that the media isn't a left supporting entity.
"Newt sought an "open marriage" arrangement so he could have a mistress and a wife."
I think I'll start calling Newt "Big Love". But in all honesty, she only got what she deserved... he left his first wife under the exact same circumstances (HEY CALLISTA... YOU HEARING ANY OF THIS...?) as he left her... sick with cancer. Newt left these two women much like the Captain of the Costa Concordia left his passengers... on their own to fin for themselves.
Patriot 8888,
Rather than questioning me, the question should be why did she feel the need to come forward at this time?
Yeah why would she come out now when he is trying to run the country she lives in based on a false moral basis? Now that I put it that way your right I have no idea, because I would love to see someone who cheated on me while we were married as the president of the country I live in.
Perceived greatest impact to the detriment of her ex-husband, who may be on the cusp of winning a key state primary in his quest for the GOP nomination for President of the US?
or, why did ABC choose to trot out this dog and pony now? Max impact to what the MSM perceives as a true threat to BO's second coronation?
Well already answered the first one, why did Fox news run birther crap for what 2 years, why did fox news have headlines about President Obama being a Muslim? Oh to help who they think should win even by lying right? Did any republicians slander President Clinton when he was cheating on his wife? Did any democrats slander President Bush when he was running for President? The outrage of one side attacking the other. Oh woe is me.
Whether you are for or against Newt if he is going to be representing the country I have a right to know his moral deficiencies, so I can gage if I want him representing me and my family as our President.
Policy and Performance are the key issues for 2012, not a humiliated ex-wife with an axe to grind.
You mean like Jobs were in 2010? Squiiiiiiiirrrrrrlllllll
So does that mean Newt would cheat with another country if he were Prez? Hmmm, once a cheater...
That whore does not belong in our White House!
Just wondering which whore? Newt or Callista.....
Patriot: I'm surprised at you. Seriously. Moral character and the way one lives one's life (not just a buncha pretty lines in a debate) MATTERS......Calista better hope she never get sick. There's a pattern here with Gingrich and his wives when they fall seriously ill. He dumps them. That whore does not belong in our White House
When 1 out of 2 marriages fail, it's a pretty sad testament to life in America in the new millennium.
While moral character is a serious consideration, I find that the morals between a husband and a wife are much better left between those 2 parties. It always becomes a he said, she said. The children and family have obviously made peace with the situation so who are we to judge?
Brings to mind the saying:
You can't know a man until you walk a mile in his shoes
Newt is certainly guilty of morally-reprehensible behavior but who am I to judge when the immediate parties impacted have obviously forgiven him?
Now that I put it that way your right I have no idea, because I would love to see someone who cheated on me while we were married as the president of the country I live in.
sour grapes. It's the old "if I can't have him, no one will". The woman's own daughters have already come out in defense of their father so who are you to judge?
Whether you are for or against Newt if he is going to be representing the country I have a right to know his moral deficiencies, so I can gage if I want him representing me and my family as our President.
That's certainly your prerogative but you might find it somewhat difficult to find all politicians meeting that criteria.
You mean like Jobs were in 2010? Squiiiiiiiirrrrrrlllllll
No, I mean like Jobs were in 2008.
And, obviously, you have no point to make if you resort to calling people names. Unfortunately, it demeans any point your might have had.
Rather than questioning me, the question should be why did she feel the need to come forward at this time?
Are you seriously asking these questions? If Gingrich was somewhere near the bottom do you think she would waste her trump card? She knows the guy better than us. Gingrich left his first wife while having an affair with Marianne. And then did the same thing to her. This guy is just full of integrity.
why did ABC choose to trot out this dog and pony now?
Really? Money!!! I thought the right was all about money. The story sells. I seem to remember a whole lot of publicity being given to the Gennifer Flowers story. I bet right wingers weren't crying about that one. If ABC didn't jump on this story someone else would. Do you realize the money ABC will make by breaking this? The Right should be kicking ABC up a notch for adding to their coffers. It is the right wing way. Like you guys like to say. No one is making you read the story. You can change the channel.
Just an interesting speed bump on the path to the Presidency.
I suggest we all keep track of this statement. And if Newt drops we will be sure to look you up on the Vine.
Are you seriously asking these questions? If Gingrich was somewhere near the bottom do you think she would waste her trump card? She knows the guy better than us. Gingrich left his first wife while having an affair with Marianne. And then did the same thing to her. This guy is just full of integrity.
Yes, I am seriously asking these questions. IF the people most impacted have made peace with the situation, who am I to judge?
And the additional irony is that the cheater later gets cheated on herself. That karma is a b*tch.
I suggest we all keep track of this statement. And if Newt drops we will be sure to look you up on the Vine.
If Newt does not make it, I am sure that it will not be because of this issue.
IF the people most impacted have made peace with the situation, who am I to judge?
Well obviously one of the people that was most impacted hasn't made peace with it have they? And she has every right to deal with it as she sees fit. I haven't seen her breaking any law. So as you put it Who are you to judge ?
And the additional irony is that the cheater later gets cheated on herself. That karma is a b*tch.
You have a lot to learn about Karma. Karma isn't a one way street. It goes in both directions, and Newt is about to get his.
If Newt does not make it, I am sure that it will not be because of this issue.
You missed the point.
news is something everybody doesn't know already,
this doesn't qualify
The true Christians have forgiven him, Ask Rick Perry.
So to hear from one of them ex wives ,coincidentally at this time in the race should not be a worry, because they have already forgiven him.
No problem, Right?
Newt is certainly guilty of morally-reprehensible behavior but who am I to judge when the immediate parties impacted have obviously forgiven him?
Patriot: It doesn't sound to me very much like Marianne has forgiven him. Newt's daughters are by the first wife, not the 2nd (marrianne is the 2nd). I might be willing to forgive one mistake....but two?
I cant stand Gingrich.....and I actually agree with Beck that he is nothing but a progressive.
anything that might hurt him I welcome.
I think what people do in their private life is their business.....but he has a pattern here...and it does show a type of moral character...or lack thereof.
I wish he would go away.
I think you missed the point.
Well obviously one of the people that was most impacted hasn't made peace with it have they? And she has every right to deal with it as she sees fit. I haven't seen her breaking any law. So as you put it Who are you to judge ?
She was the one involved in the situation, not subject to the collateral damage. Of course she has not made peace with it - she's the one with the axe to grind.
Who am I to judge? I am not judging anyone. That's between her and Newt.
I just am amused by all of the bastions of moral authority on this site who gave Bill Clinton a pass in the 1990's. You do remember the name Gennifer Flowers. Poor woman was put through the ringer. Turns out she was accurate. Who knew?
Hillary was trotted out and talked about baking cookies and standing by her man. All was forgotten. Bill Clinton was elected to not only one but 2 terms.
It's just become a been there, done that scenario. Yawn.
Newt Gingrich Lacks Moral Character to Be President, Ex-Wife Says
along with the lack of moral character... what could be jeopardized as far as America is concerned... a man that's so easily "moved" could be a threat to our security and national interests... along with low moral character his integrity, honesty & ethics are easily questioned..
how easily could he be jeopardized in negotiations with foreign entities who might easily use his obvious weaknesses to their advantage... newt is a liability to national interests...
along with the lack of moral character... what could be jeopardized as far as America is concerned... a man that's so easily "moved" could be a threat to our security and national interests... along with low moral character his integrity, honesty & ethics are easily questioned..
how easily could he be jeopardized in negotiations with foreign entities who might easily use his obvious weaknesses to their advantage... newt is a liability to national interests...
Didn't seem to hamper Bill Clinton. One might compare his umm.... moral character.... to that of Newt.
Who am I to judge? I am not judging anyone. That's between her and Newt.
#1.61 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:27 PM CST
What we have here is an angry bitter woman who is looking for her 15 minutes of "revenge".v #1.4 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:43 AM CST
wow............ not judging aye?? lol... that's just @!$%#ing precious.....
An aquaintance of mine summed it up years ago: If you're going to be in the public eye with a "servant" job, you owe the people something. That being, that you stick to the one you took your vows with, or you get yourself a Penthouse and retire to the bathroom, or you bury it in the sand. You simply don't go out and whore around. If your marital vows mean nothing, why in hell would an oath of office, to people you'll never see?? This is completely regardless of party.
When 1 out of 2 marriages fail, it's a pretty sad testament to life in America in the new millennium.
The dude asked his wife to have an open marriage with his mistress!?! There aren't too many easier ways to end a good marriage... Newt is hardly a victim of the state of Marriage in USA.
wow............ not judging aye?? lol... that's just @!$%#ing precious.....
Just calling it the way I see it.
It is between her and Newt and the faux outrage on this site regarding his "moral ambiguity" is what is indeed precious.
Newt is certainly guilty of morally-reprehensible behavior but who am I to judge when the immediate parties impacted have obviously forgiven him?
And by "forgiven him", you mean "exposed an embarrassing detail about his second marriage on the eve of an important primary vote", correct? I'm not seeing a lot of "forgiven" here.
The dude asked his wife to have an open marriage with his mistress!?! There aren't too many easier ways to end a good marriage... Newt is hardly a victim of the state of Marriage in USA.
You're taking a little literary license here. What makes you think this was a "good" marriage?
And it's rather ironic that the cheater eventually gets cheated on herself.
And by "forgiven him", you mean "exposed an embarrassing detail about his second marriage on the eve of an important primary vote", correct? I'm not seeing a lot of "forgiven" here.
The collateral participants - the children, extended family. They don't seem to be very upset with what he did. Maybe at the time they were but they have gotten over it.
Maybe the ex-wife has an axe to grind?
I just am amused by all of the bastions of moral authority on this site who gave Bill Clinton a pass in the 1990's.
Flipped back at you. I am amused by the hypocrisy from those who criticized Clinton's infidelities and defend Newt's with comments like:
I find that the morals between a husband and a wife are much better left between those 2 parties.
Or the hypocrites from the right who defended Mark Sanford's Appalachian Trail affair. And then said that God had told him not to resign. It is the right wing hypocrisy (which is being displayed so well on this thread today) that is what the left has issue with more than anything else. When you do the same thing you have criticized others for doing you deserve what you get.
When you divorce your first wife because you are having an affair with someone else, and then criticize the president for having an affair while you are doing the same thing, and then divorce your second wife because you are having an affair...that's pretty bad. But then for Gingrich to turn around and make comments like :
"The Democratic Party has been the active instrument of breaking down traditional marriage."
That pretty much makes Gingrich a real turd. So go ahead and support him.
OMG, so when does an EX-WIFE have anything good to say about their EX-HUSBAND? This article is meaningless.
Not to an Obama loving hypocrite!
Flipped back at you. I am amused by the hypocrisy from those who criticized Clinton's infidelities and defend Newt's with comments like:
I think America has grown much wiser and more tolerant with age!
Bill Clinton provided a teachable moment to the populace in that one's life could easily be compartmentalized. One could be an able and wise leader while frolicking with a White House intern under the desk.
Maybe the ex-wife has an axe to grind?
too @!$%#ing funny really.... hypocrite thy name is patriot...
I think America has grown much wiser and more tolerant with age!
Bill Clinton provided a teachable moment to the populace in that one's life could easily be compartmentalized. One could be an able and wise leader while frolicking with a White House intern under the desk.
OMG,,,, your killing me... lol...
I think America has grown much wiser and more tolerant with age!
You are kidding. It appears that the tolerance is strictly dependent on the side you are defending. The smell from the hypocrisy is become overwhelming.
But then for Gingrich to turn around and make comments like :....The Democratic Party has been the active instrument of breaking down traditional marriage."
Newt likes marriage so much he's done it three times... there's a @!$%#ing american hero & patriot for ya.. go newt.... lol.. oh good lord.....
And it's rather ironic that the cheater eventually gets cheated on herself.
Patriot: You call it "ironic" and I'll call it karma. And as long as Newt has access to his viagra Calista better stand as close as possible to her man.
Bill Clinton provided a teachable moment to the populace in that one's life could easily be compartmentalized
Patriot 1.73--For all Bill's obvious shortcomings he was smart enough not to dump hillary.
Newt Gingrich Lacks Moral Character to Be President
Not to play Captain Obvious, but....well, duh!
Arkansas Gloria
#1.23
Newtie was sodomizing his girlfriend while his wife was at home....
First, do you KNOW that 'Newtie' was SODOMIZING... ?
Yes Gloria...you seem to be going out of your way to advance a meme that oral sex is not considered sodomy...as my catholic schooling drilled the guilt into me I know that yes oral sex is indeed considered sodomy, by the dictionary of record, and by the legal definition;
Webster's Dictionary
Definition of SODOMY
: anal or oral copulation with a member of the same or opposite sex; also : copulation with an animal
The word sodomy acquired different meanings over time. Under the Common Law, sodomy consisted of anal intercourse. Traditionally courts and statutes referred to it as a "crime against nature" or as copulation "against the order of nature." In the United States, the term eventually encompassed oral sex as well as anal sex.
I have a million things I could say against ANY ex of mine, but most of it is PRIVATE, and it is also years behind. I am sure there are things that any ex could say against me- what's the point?
When your ex boyfriend runs for president on a platform of moral superiority get back to me. Don't get me wrong. I for one don't think cheating on a souse in most circumstances should hinder a qualified candidate from public office, for the most part , so long as their personal peccadilloes don't run afoul with the office they are running for, and if their spouse doesn't raise hackles about it, its fine with me...
unless....
Unless they treat their spouse callously, it goes to how people relate to other humans, although I don't think that this alone is enough to disqualify, it should be in the minus column to be tallied with other minuses. This goes for Newt , who treated his former wives as disposable chew toys, It goes for Edwards screwing around on his dying wife...
Unless they claim they are for family values and flaunt their for morality as a weapon and castigate others...this kind of hypocrisy is the problem with a Gingrich for me,,,the hypocrisy is enough to write him off
1. It is passed-
So was Obama going to school in Indonesia... I didn't notice any quarter taken by the right on this
2. It was private
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No it wasn't... If it was we wouldn't be having a discussion about it. Your personal business is your business , until YOU try tell tell people how to live moral lives while being the opposite
3. People change.
For the better, or for the worst? Newt Answered that for us in the South Carolina debate with his dog whistles
4. If a person is straight, gay, open-marriage minded, or believes on monogamy, is their choice, and does not need discussion by the world. Get out of peoples lives and bedrooms.
I don't go into other peoples bedrooms, I want to keep them out of mine. When it is brought to my attention that the guy telling us what an exemplary upstanding moral person they are is living the lifestyle he is directing his faux outrage, thats when I mock them and call them on their hypocrisy.
This is not to stand for or against Newt- he is not a person I would vote for or against at this point, as I have not fully decided how my vote will go- currently. This article and the whole topic, and ABC having this on, is all Bullzchit- what a joke ABC just made of themselves!!!
Abc became a joke when they put JOhn Stossel in front of a camera. Unfortunately this type of pablum is standard fair for what passes for journalism these days... and yet, here it is, his ex wife coming out to say he lacks the moral character to be president...I didn't need her to tell me that, Newt is more than just immoral, hes power hungry and authoritarian...a small man in search of a balcony, and if this story adds a minus into his column among Americans I'm ok with it.
judging this marianne’s looks and actions, I can’t say that I’d blame newt for wanting to run from her....who’d want to be stuck with that..she is just a bitter ex with an axe to grind..end of story..
on the other hand the libbies see no problem with the morals of an admitted coke head and paling around with admitted terrorists or promoting racism and economic disaster for your country..I see those acts much more as lacking any moral fortitude.....
ABC should have done stories on obama’s sordid past if they wanted to be in the sleaze business--this is nothing new to us-we have known about newt’s past for a long time--and it’s not as damaging as the left wants to portray it..I care about how newt’s politics will affect MY family and so far he is by far the better choice over obama, who has been the most damaging to us...
Lisaed you and I don't agree on much... but I can certainly agree with that... lol.. good call..
Agent: Thanks! My mom brought me up right....she always said don't you dare ever screw around with a married man ever....because if you think he won't cheat on you too you're just kidding yourself. I think it's a good lesson too in humility. I'm certainly far from perfect but have tried my whole life to live as a good Catholic....and so Newt & Calista and their Catholicism worn on sleeves just infuriates the hell out of me. Though shall not commit adultery!
Patriot: You call it "ironic" and I'll call it karma. And as long as Newt has access to his viagra Calista better stand as close as possible to her man.
Lisaed: I already called it karma in post 1.55.
The juxtaposition is indeed ironic.
However, I just don't really care what people choose to do in the privacy of their own bedrooms. This is not a current story, Newt has been involved with Calista since 1993, married her in 2000 and it is water over the veritable dam.
Get over it.
Patriot 8888,
And, obviously, you have no point to make if you resort to calling people names. Unfortunately, it demeans any point your might have had.
Sweet, back up your claim with proof. Where did I call you anything but Patriot 8888? If that is name calling then yep I am a horrible person.
That's certainly your prerogative but you might find it somewhat difficult to find all politicians meeting that criteria.
Wasn't referring to all, but I would like the President to be a moral person. I view it as if someone is willing to break the vows of there marriage, the oath to the public may not mean anything.
No, I mean like Jobs were in 2008.
Yeah, did you inform President Obama that you changed his campaign promises for him, because here is a list of the platform he gave and oddly enough jobs was not on it.
1) Guantanamo Bay
2) Letting Bush-Era Tax Cuts Expire
3) Foreclosure Prevention Fund
4) Immigration Reform
5) Restricting Former Lobbyists from Serving in Obama Administration
6) Iraq War
7) Repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
8) Sign a ‘Universal' Health care Bill
Didn't seem to hamper Bill Clinton. One might compare his umm.... moral character.... to that of Newt.
I would agree with you on this, but then I would not vote for him after he cheated.
The collateral participants - the children, extended family. They don't seem to be very upset with what he did.
Oh, so the set "immediate parties" who were affected by the affair does not include the ex-wife.
There are Bavarian pretzel makers who are in awe of your logic here.
Maybe the ex-wife has an axe to grind?
What with the being cheated on and then, if her story is legit, having it presented, not as a betrayal, but as an progression to the next level of their marriage? I would say she probably does.
That does not, however, immediately prove her comments to be false.
Sweet, back up your claim with proof. Where did I call you anything but Patriot 8888? If that is name calling then yep I am a horrible person.
Reference your Post 1.49:
You mean like Jobs were in 2010? Squiiiiiiiirrrrrrlllllll
What is that last word you are trying to spell? Sure does not look like Patriot 8888.
Yeah, did you inform President Obama that you changed his campaign promises for him, because here is a list of the platform he gave and oddly enough jobs was not on it.
That might have been his platform but not his promise.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1nz60J39eM
Date of Speech: November 22, 2008 Obama promises to add 2.5 million jobs.
Sure does not appear to be the way it turned out:
# people employed November 2008: 144.25 million
# people employed December 2011: 140.79 mllion
That's a net loss of 3.46 million jobs.
What is that last word you are trying to spell?
perhaps doug can help clarify the reference for you
Oh, so the set "immediate parties" who were affected by the affair does not include the ex-wife.
There are Bavarian pretzel makers who are in awe of your logic here.
There are indeed Bavarian pretzel makers who understand the point much better.
I sincerely apologize for forcing you to make the leap to the reference of collateral injury, not direct injury to the participants themselves.
That does not, however, immediately prove her comments to be false.
I never said anything about her comments being false. The Bavarian pretzel makers duly understood that as the principal party to the injury, she might have an axe to grind. Venting her frustration on national television just seems to be a little extreme to tell her side of the story.
See post 1.84.
Time to get over it.
perhaps doug can help clarify the reference for you
Rather juvenile not to mention inflammatory.
suffice to say patriot doesn't care if newt is a big POS... a big @!$%#ing turd.... that lacks integrity, honesty or is completely lacking in moral character... patriot couldn't care less... he's not obama and that's all that matters... now that's what's really @!$%#ed up....
that lacks integrity, honesty or is completely lacking in moral character..
He's not the first and certainly won't be the last.
Let's look at the long line of Democratic leaders with integrity and high moral character: JFK, RFK, Teddy Kennedy (talk about moral character - Newt's only offense is cheating, not murder).
Sheesh, the only Democratic President in almost 50 years (1960 - 2008) with high moral character was Jimmy Carter. And we know where all that moral character got him - one term.
Is that indicative of a trend? A nice family man can only be elected to one term in office?
I just can't take any more of this hypocrisy from the Left. ROFLMAO
Sounds like Callista was willing to indefinitely dork somebody elses husband without marriage. And Newt liked to rub his wife's face in it. How they treated his wife speaks volumes about their moral character, and grasp of Christian values. And to think that these two jackasses are who the "evangelicals" prefer to Christian family values role models, Michelle and Barack Obama. Newt is somebody his own family can't trust, so why should I?
When people defend fornicating whores like Gingrich, it pretty much proves people do NOT believe in "god" or the bible. If they did, they couldn't excuse it.
In other words, this is no Christian country. hooray!
Time to get over it.
...writes the person who started with a Lewinsky reference.
When people defend fornicating whores like Gingrich, it pretty much proves people do NOT believe in "god" or the bible. If they did, they couldn't excuse it
don’t know the bible very well do you--look up the story of solomon..
If all we care about is a President who exhibits good family values, we already have the right person in the WH. But we judge our candidates by much more than that. I was willing to overlook the rumors about Bill Clinton because I liked him. And maybe the cons will overlook the realities about Newt because they like him. (Poor Jimmy Carter, virtuous man that he was got skewered for "lusting in his heart" by the people who didn't like him.) The story is fair game, just as Fox would have a field day if someone came forward with allegations against Pres. Obama from 20 years ago. We can each give it as much or as little weight as we think fitting. But by all means, I for one, intend to milk it for every laugh I can get out of it!!!
When people defend fornicating whores like Gingrich, it pretty much proves people do NOT believe in "god" or the bible. If they did, they couldn't excuse it
the RWNJ's had the opportunity to back a decent candidate... in Jon Huntsman.. a decent, moral and honest man of integrity... problem was he wasn't @!$%#ed up in the head enough for the nutjobs... he wasn't bigoted, hateful, lying or conniving enough... oh.. and "christian" enough...
don't know the bible very well do you--look up the story of solomon.
Solomon there was one dysfunctional man... very much favored by God... very wise with an understanding heart... but failed in the end....
newt's not Solomon never will be...
Newt Gingrich Lacks Moral Character to Be President, Ex-Wife Says
A public media castration by his ex-wife is just what he deserves.
hahahahahahahahahahaha
What we have here is an angry bitter woman who is looking for her 15 minutes of "revenge".
Angry? Bitter? Hell, that would be my better qualities if I found out my husband was having an affair and wanted an open marriage? Revenge? Maybe, maybe not....but the POS deserves more than what he is getting. I find his ex very patriotic for warning any idiots out there that may be considering this joke of a candidate what a lying sack of pa-toot he is.
Newt is a big soft sack of crap....furtherest thing from Presidential material.
Revenge? Maybe, maybe not
He's certainly not worth doing time for, even deserving as he is of the act that would lead to it.
Gingrich couldn't be trusted to keep his vow's in marriage and he couldn't be trusted as speaker of the house. He was convicted of ethics violations while he was speaker, by his own party, the Republicans. Doesn't say much for the GOP now, if they really want this guy in the White House.
She said when Gingrich admitted to a six-year affair with a Congressional aide, he asked her if she would share him with the other woman, Callista, who is now married to Gingrich.
"And I just stared at him and he said, 'Callista doesn't care what I do,'"
Looks like Newt may desire to be a mormon too :)
Politicians are full of hypocrisy. Kind of like promising hope and change. Personally, I don't care if Gingrich runs around in his bedroom naked singing yankee doodle. I do care about political positions only, and right now I'm feeling bent over and violated by the current Administration
I don't see what promising hope and change had to do with anything here, so I'm going to bother to comment on it.
As for Newts lacivious behaviour - I couldn't care less what he does either, but it infuriates me when people like this try to hang someone for their sin, when they are doing the same thing (or far worse in this case) themself.
Newt Gingrich Lacks Moral Character to Be President, Ex-Wife Says
That's stating the obvious...
So see if I get this right. I am supposed to be concerned about what his EX says? Anyone who has ever been divorced, and has a pissed off/jealous ex, can relate. Suprised she hasn't accused him of pedolifia yet, just to suck some more money out of him. But I am sure tht is coming.
Suprised she hasn't accused him of pedolifia yet, just to suck some more money out of him. But I am sure tht is coming.
What a ridiculous thing to say.
Also, she is consistent with what she is stating since this isn't the first time that she stated this...
Bill Clinton gave Gingrich the thumbs up.
um...... how nice. When was this? In regards to???
The face that Newt is the celebrity figure for Ashley Madisson says everything that needs to be said about Newt... http://static8.businessinsider.com/image/4ef092e969beddd36b000005/newt-gingrich-adultery-billboard.jpg
Give it up, Patriot. Your defense of this behavior, by Newt or any other pol, is an epic fail. A tendency toward honor and respectability is supposed to be more evident in public sector positions, than in ordinary anonymous ones.
There is only one type of woman Newt recognizes, a throw away woman. Its time American throws Newt in the dumpster.
Patriot 8888
You mean like Jobs were in 2010? Squiiiiiiiirrrrrrlllllll
Sorry that gave me a huge laugh. It is from the Movie UP. It is not name calling, it is a distraction thing.
What is that last word you are trying to spell? Sure does not look like Patriot 8888.
Correct it is not Patriot 8888, it is the word squirrel similar to how they say it in the movie. Yes I realize you are not a squirrel, or at least I assume. Still I could not figure out what you were talking about since I wasn't calling you anything.
That might have been his platform but not his promise.
Well this is what I see.
President-elect Barack Obama offered an outline of his economic recovery plan Saturday, and jobs were the top priority.
American workers will rebuild the nation's roads and bridges, modernize its schools and create more sources of alternative energy, Obama said in the weekly Democratic address, posted on his Web site.
"The plan will mean 2.5 million more jobs" by 2011, Obama said. His Web site clarified that the plan would "save or create" that many jobs.
"These aren't just steps to pull ourselves out of this immediate crisis," he said. "These are the long-term investments in our economic future that have been ignored for far too long."
Tell me has congress not fought him on everything he has tried even if it was things they previously had wanted to do?
How about Senator McConnell stating they intend to make him a one term President, then setting a record number of filibusters, but one partially broken promise since no one will work with him is all you need?
Republicans did run on a platform of Jobs, Jobs, Jobs in 2010 did they not? What did they do after elected? It wouldn't be go after gays, unions, and a women's uterus would it?
What materially detracts from the statements of Marianne Gringrich, and the media's decision to run her interview, is the timing...the timing of this gives it all the earmarks of a politically driven hit piece...let me explain.
This interview is run two days before the voting in a state that is very sensitive to this kind of issue. It could well have been run before the New Hampshire primary...but then the average New Hampshire response would probably be..."mind your own business". The media (ABC primarily) decided when this would air...and the timing has the stench of media bias.
As a Dem (a Blue Dog) who still resents how the media treated Gary Hart back in 1988, I am not going to change my opinions now. For the last few decades America's Corporate Media has moved from informing the public so they can have an educated opinion...to...forming public opinion!
it is sad to see ABC, and CNN by extension, show that they are no different than the others. What they have shown is that...they have no clothes!
Kenn - I'm a Democrat myself. For many years, the escapades of high level elected or appointed officials were OFF LIMITS. This meant you didn't ask people like Roosevelt, Hoover, Eisenhower, or Kennedy(s) about their sexual hijinx. But today, in a nation that has moved toward abandonment of censorship standards in entertainment, we have actually moved in the opposite direction when it comes to current public officials, or those running for office.
I remember Gary Hart nearly challenging reporters to catch him pulling this sort of crap. They did catch him.
I don't know what sort of president he'd have made, but I don't care for the sort of crap that he or ANY of these cock hounds think they should be allowed to get away with. If you want to pursue the offices, you either honor the vows you took with your significant other, or you bury it in the sand, or take a Penthouse into the bathroom. You simply don't go out and whore around, no matter which party you claim.
Dude: #1.11
OMG, so when does an EX-WIFE have anything good to say about their EX-HUSBAND? This article is meaningless.
My ex wife says good things about me. She thinks it is great I take my grandkids to church. In fact her boyfriend is an old friend of mine and he told me that they talk about me a lot. She has said she made a mistake leaving me, because I have changed and that is what she wanted me to be in the first place.
Apparently Newt's ex has not seen a change in him except for the worse. Hmmmm ??? No wonder she sees him as the POS he is.
Newt's a POS. We don't need his ex-wife to say it for us to know.
So what if she is bitter ?? Wouldn't you be under the same circumstances ??
She was married to the dork and knows him for what he really is. Newt deserves much worse.
Give it up, Patriot. Your defense of this behavior, by Newt or any other pol, is an epic fail. A tendency toward honor and respectability is supposed to be more evident in public sector positions, than in ordinary anonymous ones.
Really? Since when does the left give a @!$%# about honor and respectability in public sector positions? Ted Kennedy....cheat of all cheats...not to mention a murderer managed to stay in the public sector his entire life and continue on with his behavior with no backlash from the left. Bill Clinton cheated on his wife time and time again and the right was attacked for calling him on it. And when I mean "the right", I am talking about ordinary Americans...not politicians.
Please don't preach to this American about honor and respectability as long as Democratic cheats are thriving.
By the way....Newt is an ass with a huge ego! He and Obama have that in common!
Newt Gingrich supporters. Now that's both funny and sad. Supporting Newt Gingrich. LOL.
Please don't preach to this American about honor and respectability as long as Democratic cheats are thriving.
Not the issue that the left has with this. Go back and read my post number 1.71. Please show me where a Kennedy or Clinton for that matter was criticizing a political opponent for their sexual indiscretions, while they themselves are doing the same thing. Newt did just that. The right always plays the religion card. So when you bring up Clinton and the Kennedy's, we will just play the same game as the right and say that they all told God that they're sorry so it's all good now. How's that???
Newt has the intellect of a Palin and the morals of a Clinton...fine GOTP Presidential material.
What's the problem?
There's a pattern here with Gingrich and his wives when they fall seriously ill. He dumps them. That whore does not belong in our White House.
Lisaed, we actually agree on this one! Well said. :o)
Not the issue that the left has with this. Go back and read my post number 1.71. Please show me where a Kennedy or Clinton for that matter was criticizing a political opponent for their sexual indiscretions, while they themselves are doing the same thing. Newt did just that. The right always plays the religion card. So when you bring up Clinton and the Kennedy's, we will just play the same game as the right and say that they all told God that they're sorry so it's all good now. How's that???
It's only an issue for the left because Newt didn't practice what he preached? What happened to having honor and respectability in public sector jobs? That is what you said....
A tendency toward honor and respectability is supposed to be more evident in public sector positions, than in ordinary anonymous ones.
Clinton's blow job in the White House was acceptable because he never came out and said blow jobs in the White House are not to be tolerated. Give me a break.
It's only an issue for the left because Newt didn't practice what he preached?
No. The main issue I (and I think many on the left or more accurately anti-right) have is someone who criticizes an opponent for doing something that they themselves do. That is the extremity of hypocrisy.
What happened to having honor and respectability in public sector jobs? That is what you said....
Actually I didn't. I think you are combining posts from two different Viners. Understandable... everyone has done that. I was really pissed at Clinton for what he did. (actually at that time I was a staunch right winger) But when he made the unsolicited comment that he never had sexual relations etc. etc. and it turned out he did he could have stepped down. I think Newt is a turd and the right can do better, than Gingrich. I personally don't see Newt as the best Right Wing candidate. But that's my opinion.
What materially detracts from the statements of Marianne Gringrich, and the media's decision to run her interview, is the timing.
People who claim this seem unaware that holding back on airing the interview would also be attacked for its "timing" (seen as an effort to protect Gingrich, the Romney side would undoubtedly charge). This is why the "attack the messenger" strategy that all Republicans use so well and so often is, of course, so easy.
This is less about the affairs themselves and more about the fact that Newt preaches "family values". In his mind, this sort of utter hypocrisy is totally OK, and that's what's wrong here.
Bill Clinton never ran on "family values" nonsense. His affair with Monica was just that, an affair. Newt's serial adultery results in him permanently leaving one woman for another. That says to me that he's unstable and far too narcissistic (even for a politician) to be the calm and capable leader we need right now.
Obama 2012...
Warren/Feingold 2016!
This is less about the affairs themselves and more about the fact that Newt preaches "family values". In his mind, this sort of utter hypocrisy is totally OK, and that's what's wrong here.
Bill Clinton never ran on "family values" nonsense. His affair with Monica was just that, an affair. Newt's serial adultery results in him permanently leaving one woman for another. That says to me that he's unstable and far too narcissistic (even for a politician) to be the calm and capable leader we need right now.
Obama 2012...
Warren/Feingold 2016!
Absolutely Agree!!!!!! With all of it :)
What is in your AVATAR, is that a hamster?
I can still remember adulterous hypocrite Gingrich leading the charge to tie up the services of our Rhodes scholar president for lying about his infidelity. At the same time, Gingrich was lying to his wife when she called their home, (professing his love), when in fact he was in their bed with his mistress. I would never vote for a man with the moral character of a fly, and refused to vote for Bill Clinton a second time for "spinning" that all the women he was tied to were nothing more than "groupies" and worse. Moral character counts, and Newt Gingrich rates a 0 in this area. No thanks, Newt and Callista, we can do a lot better than you.
Ben has nailed it. It's not that Dems are necessarily more moral than Repugs. It's the hypocrisy of Repugs constantly harping on "morality" and demonstrating almost a complete lack of any. This automatically makes Dems at least more ethical if not moral. Not that that's much of a tribute when being compared to Repugs.
I don't care about Newt's morals or his personal behaviors. He's a hot head and has illusions of grandeur regarding his capabilities which equals really freaking scary in a position of power. I think he's an intelligent man, but I wouldn't want to see him as POTUS.
He's a demagogue of the highest (lowest?) order. He certainly has a psychiatric disorder, possibly even a personality disorder, as well. I believe lisaed accurately pointed out that he fits the category of hypomanic disorder very closely and he also has many features of the narcissistic personality:
React to criticism with rage, shame, or humiliation
Take advantage of other people to achieve his or her own goals
Have excessive feelings of self-importance
Exaggerate achievements and talents
Be preoccupied with fantasies of success, power, beauty, intelligence, or ideal love
Have unreasonable expectations of favorable treatment
Need constant attention and admiration
Disregard the feelings of others, and have little ability to feel empathy
Have obsessive self-interest
Pursue mainly selfish goals
He'd be a very dangerous person to allow any real power.
[by the way, I'd say most politicians have some degree of several of those traits above; maybe most people do, in fact. The difference with Gingrich is the number and magnitude of them he clearly displays]
Now, I feel sorry for Newt. That's alot of problems to face. Someone please give him a mealworm.
No. The main issue I (and I think many on the left or more accurately anti-right) have is someone who criticizes an opponent for doing something that they themselves do. That is the extremity of hypocrisy.
I actually believe their is enough hypocrisy on both sides of the political aisle. Look at the way the left and ESPECIALLY The National Organization of Women sided and protected Anita Hill but did you see any of that support a for Juanita Broaderick....the same woman who accused Bill Clinton of rape? I've seen the interview of Juanita Broaderick....that woman is telling the truth. My best friend was raped.....I know what it looks like.
People are going to pick sides and it seems they are willing to stick by anything a crooked, hypocritical politician does and says.....as long as said crooked, hypocritical politican has an "R" or a "D" next to their name.
I also don't trust our media!
Sorry about confusing you with another poster.
that woman is telling the truth
And, you know this because................? Oh, right. Because it involves Clinton. Juanita's story was full of holes. Just a year before she claimed Clinton "raped" her she had filed an affidavit claiming that this allegation never happened. Clinton was certainly no choirboy but compared to the people who made charges against him he looks like one.
I also don't trust our media!
I sure hope that becomes contagious.
Just a year before she claimed Clinton "raped" her she had filed an affidavit claiming that this allegation never happened.
Why would someone sign an affidavit claiming they were never raped if they were never raped? LOL It's asinine!
And, you know this because................? Oh, right. Because it involves Clinton. Juanita's story was full of holes. Just a year before she claimed Clinton "raped" her she had filed an affidavit claiming that this allegation never happened. Clinton was certainly no choirboy but compared to the people who made charges against him he looks like one.
1) Gennifer Flowers. mistress for 12 years = Calista Gingrich 6 years.
The difference - Newt married Calista in 2000.
2) Paula Jones - $800K rumored pay out
3) Monica Lewinsky
Yup - certainly no choirboy.
1) Gennifer Flowers. mistress for 12 years = Calista Gingrich 6 years.
So she says... but it was discovered he they had at least one liason, after he was elected president. Newt is running for president with his baggage in tow, after claiming to be a family values , moral scold...big problem for values voters and the holy rollers he himself whipped private virtue into a requisite for public office,sweet irony!
The difference - Newt married Calista in 2000.
Ah yes, the moral minority on the right will feel happy to have a homewrecker as firstlady
now won't they?
2) Paula Jones - $800K rumored pay out
3) Monica Lewinsky
Yup - certainly no choirboy.
No certainly not...I'd say Bill and Newt ,coming from abusive broken homes, had similar peccadilloes and sex addictions...the difference being Clinton never hypocritically chose to cast himself as the arbiter of all that is moral and railed against the very things he did, while newtie has. Please pick this toad as your candidate.
Also Randy, it isn't the Newt running against Clinton, if Newt is chosen as the candidate he will be running against a president who has had one wife and is still married to that wife and has two wonderful kids. Newt will also be adding to this baggage of three wives the fact that he was finded 300,000 dollars as speaker of the house that he was kicked out of that possition, by his own party, plus his allienation of the minority's, and every poor person who votes, me included, not to mention the women of this country. It won't just be the Republican white male population that will be voting in November.
What is in your AVATAR, is that a hamster?
I think it's a hedgehog.
No certainly not...I'd say Bill and Newt ,coming from abusive broken homes, had similar peccadilloes and sex addictions...the difference being Clinton never hypocritically chose to cast himself as the arbiter of all that is moral and railed against the very things he did, while newtie has.
Randy McMurphy:
Randy, you know, the more I think about this, I have to agree with you. You are hands down spot on in your analysis.
Clinton never hypocritically chose to cast himself as the arbiter of all that is moral.
He just lied to our faces about having sexual relations with that woman until a little blue dress showed him for the hypocrite that he was.
Let me see if I have Randy's moral lesson correctly: it's all right to have mistresses as long as you eventually divorce the wife and keep marrying the mistresses. Randy, is there any numerical limit to this process? Just wondering how many more you'd allow before having a slight misgiving.
OMG.... Clinton can't even run and you guys still can't get over it. Newt may be a lot of things, but faithful isn't one... and habitual unfaithfulness means you are not to be trusted. Get over Clinton.... He's been out of the house for years!
Not only would you be gettin one cheater ,you will be gettin two ( Jezebel ) !!!!
Clinton never hypocritically chose to cast himself as the arbiter of all that is moral.
He just lied to our faces about having sexual relations with that woman until a little blue dress showed him for the hypocrite that he was.
Yes he did -- to a question he should never have been asked to begin with. Which is worse - his having a few moments where he gave into temptation, or their spending $90 million dollars to discover it? Then the republicans obsessed over it for 2 years instread of dealing with our nation's problems. This was nobody else's business, and it should have been kept private.
Peach - Along with pointing out that I don't go along with this sort of thing by ANY pol, as I did in #124.65, I posted the comment below on another seed. It fits here, as well:
It's so typical of people whose group gets in trouble or gets caught: "Look, over there! They're doing it too!" You often see it with Catholics defending priestly hijinx, homosexuals and AIDS infections, corrupted politicians in your party, etc.
... homosexuals and AIDS infections, ...
WTF does that even mean?
Then the republicans obsessed over it for 2 years
It seems many are still obsessing over it.
WTF does that even mean?
Really, you see no connection and don't understand it at all? Or are you, all too typically, in denial.
Davy,
I'd kind of like to have it spelled out, too.
Please.
Sure, here ya go: Most of the posters in seeds having anything to do with homosexuality, categorically deny that the behavior is the highest cause infections, and just point at others; this in spite of data posted on the CDC website.
Okay so, you are saying that like smokers or obese people, homosexuals can make choices that can negatively impact their health?
Does this imply something special about homosexuals?
That's the bit that confused me about your post. I still don't think I get what you mean.
Seems like the meaning is pretty clear: Davy thinks "teh gays" are baaaaad. And he knows this because some of them on blogs and their websites say stuff.
Risky or foolish behavior goes far and wide. As I've pointed out, especially when it's promiscuous sexual activity (of any kind), the participants find it impossible to admit fact; it's much more comforting to accuse others of behaving similarly, or to deny the message, or to attack the messenger. Gingrich is the perfect example of this.
Davy,
I'm not attacking you, Lassen is.
What I don't understand is why you worry about it? I mean this particular thing. You could have used cigarette smokers or obese people. You chose homosexuals to make a point you could have made another way.
This is typically evidence of bias. Not that the points you raise are invalid they are not. It just calls questions to mind when the group chosen as an example happens to be one that is disliked by the right. Especially when you are arguing what appears to be a typical right positon. But most especially when the group you are using as a negative example has suffered discrimination.
It all kind of builds up, each little innocent piece on the last, until you realize, "Wow that person is a bigot."
So that's the first thing a liberal is going to notice, and why so many discussion started by folks on the right immediately go to concerns of racism. We consider it important, more important than most topics the right wants to discuss, like pipelines and Newt's loveless life.
Believe it or not, I consider myself a liberal. I will never support the investor greed or unlimited business that the GOP espouses. But defending things like worker rights is exclusive of individual behavior. It's not that "I worry about it", it's the constant efforts to call attention to it by getting it into the limelight. And everyone who doesn't endorse it is vilified. You did notice that I am not defending Gingrich's behavior, any more than any other behavior that carries unnecessary risks? What I see is as if the "Jackass" crew would be hollering about people saying they're idiots for their stupid stunts.
In this issure blacks are frequently held out as the poster children of discrimination. I found it interesting that exit polling of blacks after failure of the homosexual marriage proposition in CA, showed that they voted it down along with everyone else. So, are they bigoted homophobes? Or do they simply believe the two situations are not the same, and resent being used as pawns...
Davy,
One thing that struck me as I read your comment is how you assume that membership in a group prevents you from having a bigoted attitude.
For example, it is quite possible for black people to be bigoted homophobes and members of a group that suffers discrimination all at the same time. I find nothing striking about this. It just is.
I get what you are saying about individual responsibility. We waste a lot of time finger pointing. Sometimes I'm not so sure that's a bad thing, in politics. Each side watches the other in kind of a set a bastard to watch a bastard strategy.
Right now though, we've got some major problems, and issues of race, sex, economic status are in fact being used as wedges to separate the large mass of people with not much into several mutually antagonistic smaller groups with nothing.
It makes us easier to manage.
So, when I think I see someone getting distracted by another's differences, I like to try and refocus the attention right back to where those that are trying to split us up don't want it to be - on them.
Conflating two issues, i.e. racial and sexual ("orientation") discrimination, is not a solid debating point. It's an attempt to find an escape. Davy, are you suggesting that since some or even many blacks are homophobic, it's okay for liberals to be? That would be a highly absurd position to take but that's what you appear to be saying.
GOP News breaking all over:
BREAKING: Rick Perry to drop 2012 campaign for president, endorse Newt, sources say
#2 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:56 AM ESTI have an office FULL of Republicans who are staring at each other, dazed. They want Obama out, but their GOP alternatives are even scarier.
I overheard one say, "Well, maybe the Kenyan ain't so bad, after all!"
And Perry and Palin endorsed Newt? Looks like the far right is going all in for a Romney mutiny
Perry would never endorse a Mormon. He is a to the right of right wing extremist fundies.
I have an office FULL of Republicans who are staring at each other, dazed. They want Obama out, but their GOP alternatives are even scarier.
Me too, it's REALLY fun to watch.
When the best they can hope for is Romney, you have to recognize that the GOTP is in REAL trouble.
I have an office FULL of Republicans who are staring at each other, dazed.
Well, you've also got Republicans like this:
And there are plenty of Republicans like me - I'm not necessarily FOR Obama, but looking at what the party has to offer, I'll probably be voting for him.
And there are plenty of Republicans like me - I'm not necessarily FOR Obama, but looking at what the party has to offer, I'll probably be voting for him.
hell Obama is a republican... he's center right for Gods sake. lol...
but looking at what the party has to offer,
except for ron paul (and mittens, but he's really trying )a group that is to the right of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and a whole bunch that support that ideology...
hell Obama is a republican... he's center right for Gods sake. lol...
Agreed.. does that make him a blue dog or a Dino president? Maybe we should nickname him Dinomite..
Gingrich should be thrilled. This must play right into his strategy of being the biggest prick in the race.
#3 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:26 AM ESTOf course, that would be much different from having the biggest one, which is something that I doubt Newtie could claim in any group of adult males.
Far be it for me to defend Newt (I am not a big fan) but .......
How long is the line of ex-wives that have good things to say about their ex-husbands? How transparent is the purpose behind having this interview? Nothing but opportunistic rating whores, definately not journalists. And it fits with their not-so-subtle ideology as well; a win-win.
I care about this just as much as I cared about state troopers watching Clinton's back in Arkansas. That is not a damn.
#4 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:28 AM ESTLib y2k:
How long is the line of ex-wives that have good things to say about their ex-husbands?
In real life, maybe. In electoral politics, not so much. Divorce as such was a career-ender pretty much up to the 1970s. Since then, the ex-wives have been either silent or discretely supportive, Reagan and Kerry's first wives, for example.
Ex-wife bitterness aside:
Newt's running as a Republican. The Republican Party paints itself as the party of "Family Values". A significant segment of GOP voters identifies as "values voters".
If Newt had never uttered a single word of condemnation of others' infidelities...
If Newt wasn't selling himself to the GOP base as a "values" guy....
Then Marianne Gingrich's expose wouldn't mean a thing.
Newt has asked for this.
#4.2: Finally - proper analysis. Yes - the point is Newton wants to enforce his morality on the rest of us in the US while he clearly lacks any himself. Who knew that "Family Values" conservatives were all swingers??
How many of those who pushed for Clinton's impeachment have fallen to affairs or worse since then??
How many of those who pushed for Clinton's impeachment have fallen to affairs or worse since then??
I'm pretty sure Larry Craig will make that list.....
Well, there is definately some hypocrisy noted if you do not practice what you preach when you platform morality; I do have to agree with that argument if the candidate makes that an issue. In a way they do ask for it. ABC however is quite transparent in their motivations as well.
More importantly:
Newt has proven not once, but twice that he isn't willing to honor a vow to god and everyone he knows even when the person with whom he made the vow is sick and needs him most.
that's a vow, and a sacred one at that. it means he tied his eternal soul to the keeping of it.
now, if he doesn't care about a sacred vow, what makes anyone believe he's going to give a sh*t about a measly oath, such as the oath of office?
I cannot believe what I am hearing from all these religious """ family values """ repubs.
If Newt wanted to play the ex-wife-has-no-perspective-card he really could have done better than to put his daughters-who-have-no-perspective-themselves in his counter-attack ad. How dorky to hear two grown women who have watched their father philander through two marriages try to sell us on what a nice guy he is. I am more inclined to believe the ex. She sounds like she is at least grown up.
Jack,
the ex-wives have been either silent or discretely supportive, Reagan and Kerry's first wives, for example.
Based upon his answers in the GOP debates (and now his ex-wife's revelations about her marriage to him), I imagine Newt was perhaps more than just a philandering prick. He was also probably psychologically very cruel to his ex-wives. More reasons to shudder when I listen to what comes out of his mouth. Ick.
BTW: This is the best day ever for laughs over GOP circus politics...a scandal and another candidate simultaneously drops out of the field.
No probably about it. He served his first wife the divorce papers while she was in hospital recovering from breast cancer surgery. In the good ol' days, the wife's male relatives would have dealt appropriately with this scumbag and he wouldn't be tainting the landscape right now.
caltha:
This is the best day ever for laughs over GOP circus politics...
Well, only in that sophomoric way the smacked-in-the-whoohah America's Funniest Home Videos defines gets laughs. But come to think it -- YEAH!!
only in that sophomoric way the smacked-in-the-whoohah America's Funniest Home Videos defines gets laughs.
Honestly? I'm am curious how Jon Stewart will treat this.
You just can't make this stuff up
...aside from Anthony Weiner...I can't recall a Democratic sex scandal coming close to this. John Edwards was pretty unpalatable, as sex scandals go...but this...good g/d.
I did wonder, after reading the thread, if Gingrich's original campaign team got wind of it after Newt's Mediterranean cruise last June. And, if so, if it was the single reason why most left the campaign en masse.
caltha:
The word at the time was somewhat related, that the staff left because the candidate was deferring to his spouse for campaign advice rather than to them.
That's not unheard of, and, to be ruthlessly Machiavellian about it, if that's true, she did a better job than they did. He's a lot stronger than anyone expected.
And Rick Perry who stands for Christian Values and Traditional Marriage, endorses the polyarmoros, adulterous, Pillsbury Doughboy.
On sex and men, I consider myself a bit of an informal expert. A man who needs open relationships and mistresses does not stop being that kind of man. He just gets more discreet and gets a more "understanding" wife who has her own agendas and rewards for being with him.
Like Bill and Hillary.
Clinton made his mistakes and stayed with his wife. Gingrich? Not so much.
The whole time he was going after Clinton, he was doing the same thing, but worse.
Ok----RIIIIIIIIGHT.
In Teapublican land that makes it ok.
Thanks for bringing me back into the light! :-)
The whole time he was going after Clinton, he was doing the same thing, but worse.
And that Ted, is the crux of the matter.
I really could not give a rats ass if you want four women in your bed, one to juggle your balls, one to spank, one to screw and one to tickle your ass with a feather. Just as long as you balance the budget, fix the deficit, improve education, make health-care accessible and affordable even to minimum wage earners, protect civil liberties, protect jobs, protect consumers, protect the environment and the homeland.
Just don't pretend you have some kind of moral highground to police anyone else's sexual behavior.
I might be able to do those things sunshine, with the motivation you mentioned.☺
Just don't pretend you have some kind of moral highground to police anyone else's sexual behavior.
Voted up 5.4 on that line alone, Sunshine.
Yes, do not preach that YOU are not allowed to have four women in your bed, one to juggle your balls, one to spank, one to screw and one to tickle your ass with a feather while participating in same. That is where the question of his moral character lies. Comment voted up!
YOU got it right, sunshine girl! Post # 5.4
Just as long as you balance the budget, fix the deficit, improve education, make health-care accessible and affordable even to minimum wage earners, protect civil liberties, protect jobs, protect consumers, protect the environment and the homeland.
I voted you up, too, Sunshine. Very good post. And you made me laugh. I wish I could give you an extra vote for that alone.
...endorses the polyarmoros, adulterous, Pillsbury Doughboy.
Do not confuse what she's describing for polyamory. I don't see a lot of "-amory" in this at all.
Well, Fluffy, whether it is love or lust, Newt obviously is not a one-woman kind of man.....like MOST men and there's nothing wrong with that. It's natural and mongamy is actually unnatural.
But if you're going to attempt monogamy at least, do it honorably and with full acceptance of the sacrifice involved. If you know full well you have no intention to make any sacrifices but have your cake and eat it too don't pretend to be high and mighty about it and certainly don't try to deny other people (gays and lesbians) their fair shot at it as well.
#5.3:Thanks for bringing me back into the light! :-)
Ha-ha! Glad you're back, although I knew that if you left for any time at all, you were on a very short visit!
sunshine girl - your post is forcing me to re-post the old joke I posted on the article about Newt giving Sarah a place in his administration -
A re-do of the old joke:
Newt Gingrich was eating pretzels on the couch one day when one went down the wrong way and he choked and died. When he came to, the devil was standing over him. "Welcome. It's time to choose how you're going to spend eternity."
He led him down a hall and opened a door. Inside, a giant dog was picking up LBJ by his ears, dropping him and picking him up again. Bush says, "No, no. My ears are very sensitive. I couldn't deal with that."
The devil opens another door, where Richard Nixon is running around with a wrench, trying to fix the plumbing on some pipes which keep leaking and spraying scalding water on Tricky Dick. "No, no. I'm too clumsy. I could never fix any of the pipes and I'd end up drowning."
The devil opens a third door. Bill Clinton is lying on the floor, smiling, while Monica does what she does. Newt is astounded. He looks at Bill. He looks at the devil. He looks at Monica. He can't believe it. "Hell, yeah!!! I'll do this one."
The devil says, "OK, Monica, you can go now."
oh my oh my....who is the conservative right going to vote for now? Newt is a slimeball, Santorum belongs in a sanitarium, and Romney can't keep his lies straight from his half-truths... Who o who are they going to vote for now?
I just watched self righteous Rick Perry drop out and endorse the " legend in his own mind", serial liar, serial cheater, serial fraud, serial adulterer, unethical, immoraL, crooked piece of crap Gingrich.
This is the Republican "values person" they admire. Probably because the teapublicans that support this crook have no values themselves.
#6 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:50 AM ESTrightwingers don't care if you are a....
serial liar, serial cheater, serial fraud, serial adulterer, unethical, immoral, crooked piece of crap...
as long as you SAY you'll promote their agenda of hating everyone but them... even if you don't do a @!$%#ing thing for them... doesn't matter... hell.. you could be a serial murderer and they'ed vote for you as long as you say all the right buzzwords...
But at least you will find out the truth. We learned more about
Herman Cain in 3 weeks than we know about Obamma in 4 years.
That the reason his legal team has spent over 1.4 million keeping his
records sealed?
#6.1:rightwingers don't care if you are a....serial liar, serial cheater, serial fraud, serial adulterer, unethical, immoral, crooked piece of crap...as long as you SAY you'll promote their agenda of hating everyone but them... even if you don't do a @!$%#ing thing for them... doesn't matter... hell.. you could be a serial murderer and they'ed vote for you as long as you say all the right buzzwords...
I think you're corect! Some people loved that serial killer, Ted Bundy {remember he was SO CUTE} and probably would have voted for him for President if he had been a bit quicker in getting away with murder!
These same people still do not condemn [nor do they want to talk about him even] that so-called christian, evangelical, white boy serial bomber that killed all of those people in Oklahoma City some years ago- and was sent to the frying pan without a lot of fanfare!
Thank God for that righteous azrse frying!
jb-if you don't know all about Obama now, then you have not been paying attention.
He has been ripped, maligned, lied about, and falsely accused-but he always took it with dignity and grace.
We know he was born in Hawaii (unless you're a brain dead birther) we know the schools he went to. We know he's a Christian (unless you're a brain dead idiot that insists he is a secret muslim), We know he is married to the same woman and has 2 great children. He's smart, articulate, well spoken, and appears to be looking out for everyone, not just the very rich or big corporations. BUT EVERYONE.
I would think the teabaggers would LOVE Obama-he has all the qualities they profess to love, unlike the cheaters, liars, immoral adulterers, flip-flopping, greedy crooked vultures they have running in the Republican party now. Huntsman was the only one with any decency.
What's up with that?????
Oh-I know. Could it be the black thing that would make bigots forget everything they preach about and take the exact opposite??
You betcha! And please spare me the "it's not a black issue" -because that's a lie.
Huntsman was the only one with any decency.
What's up with that?????
decent... not the "right" fit...
decent... not the "right" fit...
yeah...a man with integrity. That doesn't fit in with these conservative clowns.
#6.4:What's up with that?????...Oh-I know. Could it be the black thing that would make bigots forget everything they preach about and take the exact opposite??....You betcha! And please spare me the "it's not a black issue" -because that's a lie.
Hey cutie, what's up and how the hell are you?:-)
Well, I guess it is time to call a "spade a spade", isn't it!
You have to admit that after all the criterion has been measured, compared, calculated and eliminated, the only remaining variable is RACE! It is so sad too because President Obama is such a wonderful President- if people would only play fair!
Oh well, I guess that is asking too much and we will just have to take whatever we can get.
BTW, it looks like we are doing pretty darn good; I would even say that we are WINNING! We just have to keep on fighting the "good fight" and I know we'll keep on winning.
#6.5:decent... not the "right" fit...
Nor the "right" time!
But at least you will find out the truth. We learned more about Herman Cain in 3 weeks than we know about Obamma in 4 years. That the reason his legal team has spent over 1.4 million keeping his records sealed?
Seriously?
Gonna keep trying that birther/ truther/ wheteverthe@!$%#youpeoplearecallingyourselvesthesedays unfounded bull@!$%#?
pathetic.
Hey Meg-isn't it amazing how the right wingers can foam at the mouth over Clinton (they can't get anything on marriage infidelty with Obama) but they all look the other way when proven liars, cheaters, serial adulterers, immoral, unethical clowns are running for office.
They preach ethics and morals, then worship candidates that are completely devoid of morals, ehtics, or integrity. Gingrich is lucky he's not in jail. What are those ethics violations that got Gingrich thrown out by his own party? Any teapublican care to defend that too?
Doesn't say much for the Republican base on morals does it?
No wonder Perry and Palin are endorcing this "morals" candidate... birds of a feather and all...
#7 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 11:56 AM ESTNewty..................Newty.................Newty........................
Didn't anyone ever teach you that you meet the same people coming down that you used and abused going up?
The Koch suckers dodo @!$%# crazy Tparty's family and Christian values at work? Yep............Yep............Yep..................
#8 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:01 PM ESTTime out -- this is breaking news? I mean, we already KNEW about most of this crap (including what I think is worse -- leaving his wife while she's fighting for her life). YAWN
#9 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:14 PM ESTbelle:
Yeah, it is. For one thing, it's on camera for the first time.
Time out -- this is breaking news?
I think the majority of us knew "Newt lacks the moral character to be President" around 1997, when he was pressured to resign as the Speaker of the House and pay the largest fine for ethics violations.......
I think I'd prefer to hear what the FIRST wife would have to say, afterall, it shouldn't have much of a surprise to wife #2, that he was a serial cheater since he was married to wife #1 when they started their affair.....
For one thing, it's on camera for the first time.
Jack: And her timing couldn't be better. Imagine my smile when I tried to seed this same article and found YOU'D beat me to it!! Way to go. That's two days in a row you made my day.
lisa:
I tried to seed this same article and found YOU'D beat me to it!!
I wish you had. As you can see, it's going to be a bear to moderate.
Cover for me? Pleeeeeze?
Cover for me? Pleeeeeze?
Jack: Don't be cruel. You know I'm already having a bad day!
Bitter ex-wives aren't exactly page turners these days. It will make no difference one way or the other. ABC is being their usual transparent self promoting their own political agenda, but sleeze like this will not determine anything. And no one will care about the broad an hour after it is over. That this is even considered breaking news shows how far down the sewer the media has sunk. And they talk about Fox News.
#10 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:18 PM ESTTyler--you're wrong. It does matter. The fact that Evangelical leaders last weekend decided to try to coalesce around Santorum and NOT Gingrich is critically tied to this exact same story--- Newt's epic problems with marriage and fidelty. And so Jackie coming forward NOW is huge news and her words tell us oh so much about the "lovely" current Mrs. Gingrich and whether or not trash like her belongs in our White House. Jackie's words remind voters at a critical juncture in South Carolina that her ex-husband may be good at throwing out red meat in debates but his moral character has time and again been clearly lacking as was also vividly demonstrated by his being forced OUT of his speakership by his own party.
PS--Oops. Of course I meant to say "Marianne's" words in my post 10.1---so many ex-wives to keep track of I got confused. My bad.
What is that saying about "a woman scorned"? lol
#12 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:27 PM ESTcloradan:
'Tis right here, in comment #1.9. Properly cited, too.
coloradoan--this has nothing to do with a woman scorned....and everything to do with that Newt is a hound dog and I don't want another hound dog representing MY party in the White House.
The big question is, if we throw out all of the "hound dogs" is there anybody left? Actually, I was just kidding around a bit about the "woman scorned". As a registered republican, I really can't say that I'm 100% behind any of the nominees, really leaning towards Ron Paul at this point, but not sure if he can win. I'm definitely ABO though (anbody but ..............).
coloradoan--sorry didn't mean to snap at you. I'm in a bad mood today. But you ask:
The big question is, if we throw out all of the "hound dogs" is there anybody left?
Romney may be a lot of things but hound dog ain't one of em.
I find it disgusting that in todays world everyone wants to peek into everyone elses bedroom. What does that say about us as a society and about the entertainment agencies (I won't call them news) that report about it? One of the most beloved and honored presidents of our time (JFK) would not be able to get elected in todays world because, we are more concerned about their sex lives than their politics and the ability to do the job. Shame on our so-called news agencies and shame on us. And if anyone thinks that "any" of our politicians past or present is above moral reproach then I would suggest getting rid of those rose-colored glasses.
#14 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:37 PM ESTMac:
Ordinarily, I'd heartily agree. But in this specific case, I think there's two reasons to disagree.
1. Running for President when you know you have a potentially tabloid-explosive ex-spouse out there is a risk you knowingly run. Newt ran it, now he has to deal with it. Maybe he will.
2. This is the real reason I think this is important as it applies to Newt in particular. This ex-wife isn't speaking up in isolation, and I don't mean in terms of personal life. She's part of a pattern of former partners and allies who were not merely disillusioned with Gingrich, but seem to have developed profound resentment. Susan Molanari. Tom Coburn. His ex-wife. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. National Review (or Rich Lowry, at least).
These are people who were on his side in one way or another and now they are not. That strikes me as an important pattern.
I have no concern how this washes out for Newt one way or the other. I was simply stating an opinion and observation. Between the "news" organizations and the voting publics insatiable craving for anything to do with sex and scandal, I believe we all lose sight of the real issues and who may be able to best handle said issues. Like I said, none are above reproach. Some have just been lucky enough to have been in a time when people thought other issues were more important.
Mac:
Okay, fair enough. So let me modify my argument.
Even if the public and the dominant media are grossly over-concerned with "sex and scandal," which I actually agree with you on, in this case, I don't think the sex part is the important part.
If she wasn't an ex-wife but, say, a former chief-of-staff who he had fired while blaming her for a mistake he made, it would be important for the same reasons.
It's the pattern of "I used to think he was great but now I hate his guts." And I think that's a real issue while considering who might be the next President.
I whole heartedly agree with that. Unfortunately, too many people simply vote on who did who when and not much of anything else. There are far more issues to be considered and I think that is what gets lost in our rush to buy the latest issue of the Enquirer.
Mac:
Hard to deny that even some folks on my side of the aisle are taking an overly gleeful prurient interest--they're all over this thread. And I didn't help with my text selection.
And the funny thing is, I haven't even had a chance to make the argument I thought I was going to (hinted at it once) when I seeded this, namely, that Rick Perry dropped out TODAY precisely in order to try to the reverse the newscycle that this story of Newt's ex-wife was destined to start and to limit the damage to Newt.
That's why I cross-linked the two seeds.
that may have been the intent, but Rick Perry's decision seems to be getting a "what took you so long" rather than a "wow this is a game-changer" attitude (actually, MOST of the political stories recently haven't been much in the way of game-changers since the Iowa primaries -- the predictable "so-and-so dropped out" stories, endorsing one candidate or the other, no real shockers since they've been running over a year now)
belle:
Yeah, but as someone pointed out above, even a marginal shuffling of support in SC might very well alter the outcome. If Perry's 5% goes 1% each to Romney and Santorum and 3% to Newt, that could be the winning edge.
He had no chance of helping Newt at all by dropping out tomorrow or Sunday. Now he has a small chance to help him a little.
These are people who were on his side in one way or another and now they are not. That strikes me as an important pattern
Jack: And I know you know you can count your's truly among that esteemed group. I think Newt's fine as a political commentator on Fox. As the man running on the GOP ticket for the WHITE HOUSE.......seriously? I've never supported that prospect from day one and for this reason. I wanna review those tax returns newt and I wanna see how you've used your political influence INSIDE DC all these years to GROW the freaking federal govt on the TAXPAYERS dime. Where are they? And he has the BALLS to attack Romney and PRIVATE enterprise??? Unfreakin real.
Jack: I hope Santorum sticks it to NEWT good tonight. Santorm all along was chasing after the wrong guy. I loved Santorum yesterday finally speaking out against Newt's calls for Santorum to drop out of the race.....calling out newt on his "HUBRIS" and "ARROGANCE." Newt calling on multiple rivals to step aside in this only the SECOND primary? That is not democracy. Let the freaking voters VOTE.
lisa:
I was thinking about you today.
You've been backing Romney since before the 2008 primaries. All you've been is consistent, yet by some lights you've gone from supporting the true conservative opposing the RINO to the RINO opposing the true conservative (whoever that's supposed to be today).
Howintheheck did that happen?
yet by some lights you've gone from supporting the true conservative opposing the RINO to the RINO opposing the true conservative
Jack: That's just the irony for Mitt isn't it? He ran to the right of John McCain in 2008 (and indeed I wholeheartedly supported Romney over RINO MCCAIN in 08; nominating McCain was a colossal mistake). Now it's Romney cast as the big bad "establishment" candidate to the anti-Romney alleged "conservative" alternatives. It's sad to me. The Romney I supported as the conservative alternative in 2008 is the same Romney in 2012 which is WHY I'm able to be consistent. But somehow this time Mitt has been painted as the "establishment" candidate (which is NOT the same as being a RINO)....what's more I support Romney BECAUSE he is NOT of DC....he has SOLID EXECUTIVE experience which is what Obama has always lacked. Gingrich may have experience (GOD does he ever)......but it's not the kind of experience that turns me on as a solid conservative voter. I trust Mitt Romney. And after the way post-Iowa Gingrich has attacked capitalism in the words of the LEFT in attacking Mitt I despise Newt Gingrich where before I was just tolerating his presence on the trail. He's sold his so called "conservative" soul to try to win this nomination and I cannot support that. No TRUE conservative makes a commercial sittin on a couch with Nancy Pelosi under any circumstances ever. How can CONSERVATIVES trust a guy who would do that?
lisa:
The Romney I supported as the conservative alternative in 2008 is the same Romney in 2012 which is WHY I'm able to be consistent
I hear ya. He was my governor, remember? Was his MA health-care plan disqualifying in '08? Newsflash: It passed in '04 and was fully implemented by '06.
And after the way post-Iowa Gingrich has attacked capitalism in the words of the LEFT in attacking Mitt I despise Newt Gingrich where before I was just tolerating his presence on the trail.
I hear that, too, but now you know how and why I feel about Blue Dogs as I do. Attacking your own candidate utilizing the other party's talking points is an absolute No-no. You're not only stabbing your own guy in the back (which is actually okay, this is politics, after all) but handing the knife to your adversary to stab him in the front.
Was his MA health-care plan disqualifying in '08?
Jack: Not for me cause he did it at the STATE level and apparently is supported by majority of folks there. It's funny too cause romneycare didn't even come up once in last Monday's big SC debate. So here we are.....I don't trust Newt for the same reasons you don't trust blue dogs. His anti-romney rhetoric just turns my stomach and gets my ire up like I can't even describe in words....though you've caught me recently letting it overtake my typical "charm." You should hear what I say at home!
You're not only stabbing your own guy in the back (which is actually okay, this is politics, after all) but handing the knife to your adversary to stab him in the front
That's exactly what I told him in that email where I deleted my nasty reference to Calista.
Newt,
You had to know this was going to happen! This is going to hurt whether the lady is telling the truth or not. In view of your history though, she's most probably telling it like it is. You can't outrun your bad behavior, it will always catch up with you in politics. You're just a scoundrel and we don't want a scoundrel for President.
#15 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:39 PM ESTThis is sour grapes at its worst and I am not a Newt Gingrich supporter.
She cheated with Newt on his first wife.
She is not the wronged woman.
She is not the wronged woman.
You're right, she's not the wronged woman, just one of (at least) 2.
She certainly was no angel (and not too bright to think Gingrich wouldn't do to her what he did to his first wife), but he still wronged her.
If she Didn't like Newts character why did she marry him?
If she Didn't like Newts character why did she marry him?
You'd have to ask her.
You're just a scoundrel and we don't want a scoundrel for President
Donna: AMEN.
Lisa,
It seems a popular meme of this (you might enjoy it) situation from the voters in SC is -
"There's no way we're making the 3rd wife the 1st lady."
There's no way we're making the 3rd wife the 1st lady."
Student of life: I LOVE THAT!
Gingrich doesn't have the moral character to be president.
Any person truthful with THEMSELF can see that.
Duh
#16 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 12:43 PM ESTAbsent some financial scandal I think Newt can still take Romney out.
Who in America doesn't know that Americans screws around almost everybody in America understands people have, will or potentially at one time or another get caught screwing around.
I don't see this as much of a problem in America as it once was or might have been, I really do not.
I do. I've never cheated and never will. There are ways to end a relationship that don't require infidelity, but the greater point is that character cannot be compartmentalised.
I'd say someone who condemns others on issues that they themselves partake in is a problem.
I don't see this as much of a problem in America as it once was or might have been, I really do not.
I don't think the interview is going to change anyone's views about Gingrich. People will still either let his marital infidelities slide or not.
The thing is, though, he was shown to be unethical in his political/public life, as he was in his private life. He seems to do what he thinks is best for him. I see no reason why he wouldn't screw over the country the same way he screwed over his wives if it benefited him in some way. The man is simply not trustworthy.
Who in America doesn't know that Americans screws around almost everybody in America understands people have, will or potentially at one time or another get caught screwing around.
Fed UP: That kinda behavior undermining MARRIAGE is not usually (particularly when there is a clear PATTERN, not once but twice dumping one's spouse) embraced by the evangelical wing of my party.
17 deleted, Deb-658853 beginning with:
Gee, I come back over here just to see what you fools have to say about this.
and later clarifying:
I didn't call anyone anything. I called everyone a fool. There was nothing personal or individual about that.
It may not be personal, but it's still a violation.
You're suspended for a week for violating #1 and #5 of the Code of Honor.
tyler:
Well, poop. I was hoping you wouldn't do that but figured you might.
"This post removed by the United States Government." Wow. First time I've seen that one. That removed post must have been really...er...ah...gee...UNUSUAL.
Bye Bye Newt! Let's see ...
I doubt all those Republican women will have pity on you ... but some just might, especially the "christian" ones ...
#19 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:34 PM EST1. For a dead woman, Newt's first wife looks pretty good.
2. If my second wife looked like her, I'd ask to screw other women too.
3. They're all whores, republicans and democrats.
Isn't "open marriage" in the bible?
#20 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:43 PM ESTAbraham, Isaac,Jacob, and Joseph as well as David and Solomon had a lot of wives if having more than one wife is a disqualifier for being a good man some one needs to tell GOD about it.
Isn't "open marriage" in the bible?
Let's not open that can of worms- polygamy, polyarmory, arranged marriage, slave-girl surrogacy, virgin capture and forced marriage, virgin rape and forced marraige, concubines, brother-in-law marriage.
We have the Bedroom Police on the Right already asserting that from beginning of time, marriage was ALWAYS one man and one woman who entered the arrangement of their own free will.
I was just trying to give Newt, ahem, some wiggle room here! lol
I think he finds lots of room in which to wiggle his piggle lol
Marianne should have known what she was getting, and what to expect the minute she got a serious illness. It's very amusing to see the former mistress of a married man whine about "open marriage." But what's even more amusing is her claim that Newt thought Callista would be more tolerant. From the look of things, Diamond Cal won't let Newt out of her sight for a second. So I can't feel a bit of sympathy for either of the two sluts, but the fact remains that Marianne's absolutely right about Newt, who is a morally bankrupt hypocrite of the worst kind.
#22 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:47 PM ESTI think he's got a sociopathic personality. He absolutely believes that whatever he does is justified in some concocted, convoluted way that he's so good at. I don't mean it's convincingly good, but that it's so easy for him. He has an effortless sort of immorality/amorality combination. Very dangerous to put anyone like him into a position of power.
LassenPark---Newt's mother was bipolar. And based on the good newt bad newt fight going on endlessly inside Newt Gingrich I can't help but wonder if there ain't some bad wires up in there somewhere too. I've read in psychological profile of him that he married his first wife (who had been a highschool teacher of his) in search of and to escape from mommy.
PS--found it!! It's a fascinating MUST read..."The Inner Quest of Newt Gingrich"
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/newt/vanityfair1.html
based on the good newt bad newt fight going on endlessly inside Newt Gingrich I can't help but wonder if there ain't some bad wires up in there somewhere too
A salient observation, Lisa.
I don't need an ex-wife to tell me that Newt is a scumbag.
I have learned this about Gingrich through observation.
#23 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 1:52 PM ESTI think Newt traded up in a BIG way!
#25 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:18 PM ESTYeah, she doesn't look like the $500,000 Tiffany's type.
I guess trading up gets expensive.
Some are called high maintenance for a reason. But still, YIKES wife #2 looks like the maintenance department went on strike.
Callista has been thoroughly stretched and tucked to the point now that she looks like one of the characters from that film, Dr. T. And The Women. She already looks like an alien and if she keeps going she's going to outdo Joan Rivers. It will be hard to look at, but thankfully she won't be seen much in the near future and will certainly never get to haunt the White House with that stare.
#25.3. But we are used to it from Botox Polosi, so it won't be as hard as you think.
I think Newt traded up in a BIG way!
Yeah, but he did do an 8 year lease first.
ENOUGH WITH SEXIST @!$%# ABOUT LOOKS.
Fair Warning: I'll delete all such references from now on.
jfx, you're aware, aren't you, that this is all about Newt and his need for a an ornament to have at his side? This has everything to do with "looks."
Lassen:
jfx, you're aware, aren't you, that this is all about Newt
Indeed I am.
Next question?
Gingrich and fellow travelers aren't fit to even lick the ground that Pelosi walks on.
A question. If any of you have been divorced, how'd you like to have your ex spouse being paid money to tell her feelings about all the bad things you did with no chance of rebuttal on your part. Whether it be ex-spouses, ex boyfriends, ex girlfriends, ex-mistresses or whatever, I put very little credence in what they say. In this case believe about half of what Newt's ex-wife says and about half of what he says about the situation.
BTW, Newt's daughters have facebook postings in support of Newt over the ex-wife in question.
#26 - Thu Jan 19, 2012 2:18 PM ESTBTW, Newt's daughters have facebook postings in support of Newt over the ex-wife in question.
Isn't that nice that his children support his 8 year adultry in his marriage to their stepmother. What a close family.
Indeed I am.
Next question?
Why would you censor discussion of what's at the core of Newt's personality disorder? This is about Newt's personality disorder, isn't it?
(sorry, that's two questions; is that allowed? ooops, that's three)
Lassen:
Because it's not a "discussion at the core of Newt's personality disorder," it's an excuse to take vile, juvenile, sexist cheap shots.
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