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Israel, whose military chief said on Tuesday that Iran could expect to suffer more mysterious mishaps, declined comment. The White House, struggling for Chinese and Russian help on economic sanctions, denied any U.S. role and condemned the attack.
Bomb kills Iran nuclear scientist as crisis mounts| Reuters
Seeded on Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:53 PM EST
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I believe the USA's denial, and I also think it's unlikely Israel's doing, either.
Smells like Russia's the culprit to me.
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#1 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 2:55 PM EST
Really? I believe that the we weren't involved either, but, this looks like something that Mossad is perfectly capable of. I'd like to hear your thoughts about why you think it was the Russians.
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Of course we did it! Even if Israel did it it was us who did it, we are Israel because Israel would not exist if it were not for the millions of dollars being poured into Israel on a daily basis. Israel & America are kissing cousins, holding hands, madly in love with each other.
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doubt it was russia, they sell to iran so that would just be against their self interest.
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littlered:
Despite the reputation, I don't think the Mossad has the resources to do what's been done (assuming all five deaths are linked). You not only have to have infiltrated the Iranian nuke program, you have to have done so permanently and you have to have enough of a presence beyond that inside Iran to have pulled off five operations in two years.
Also, if Israel were doing it, they wouldn't be inscrutably hinting about it publicly. If they knew (and only they would know) that it could be traced back to them, they wouldn't be publicly baiting the Iranians to try to trace it back to them.
On the other hand, we know Russia not only has a presence (or easily acquired presence) inside Iran, we also know they're involved in the nuke program. It's a matter of public record and public diplomacy.
And we also know that more than any other current regime in a developed country, Russia has utilized covert assassination as an instrument extending state power.
I don't think a new nuclear power on Russia's border serves Russian interests.
Means, opportunity, motive. Add that all up and it smells Russian to me.
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infradred:
See above. Actually, doing it this way best serves Russian interests. They get to keep making the sales, PLUS they don't have to have a new nuclear power on their border. PLUS Israel and/or the US gets blamed.
Win/win/win.
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Although there is no denying we support Israel with boatloads of money & military supplies, Israel has shown in the past they have no problems acting independently. Case in point is their using Jonathon Pollard to spy on the US.
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Also, if Israel were doing it, they wouldn't be inscrutably hinting about it publicly. If they knew (and only they would know) that it could be traced back to them, they wouldn't be publicly baiting the Iranians to try to trace it back to them.
They do perform such actions and they perform them quite in a messy way. There is a virus that is so frequently kept up to date and having one specific purpose that it can only be state run, secondly the origin mass in the middle east region.
regarding russia, they really do not have any realistic functioning nuclear program, a lot of it are in shambles. there are engineers that sneak out through the backdoors with uranium in their pockets. point is they would be selling it or having it sold by others.
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infrared:
Now Stuxnet I think is a U.S. or U.S./Israeli operation. That's something I think we or the Isrealis do have the resources to perform.
regarding russia, they really do not have any realistic functioning nuclear program, a lot of it are in shambles.
All the more reason to sabotage one in a regional rival.
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It would be suggested more Israeli since the mass origin is in the middle east and their operations tend to come from there as well.
if russia is going to dismantle anything they would start off with pakistan or the us. they know the relations between us and iran so why not undermine the us via proxy? they done it before many times.
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infrared:
if russia is going to dismantle anything they would start off with pakistan
Disagree. On a practical level, we know from decades of experience now that it's a hellava lot easier to prevent a nuke program than it is take one down after it's achieved its objective.
And though you make good point about Pakistan, it's not an either/or situation. They could be doing both.
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I really don't think they will cause problems for a trading partner.
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Jack,
and I also think it's unlikely Israel's doing, either.
Not a very popular opinion around the Vine, today. Israel seems the obvious answer to the who question (as per usual). on most threads, at least.
I think you may be on to something.
In any case, Israel can neither confirm nor deny..and all that...
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#2 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:29 PM ESTIDF:
Israel seems the obvious answer to the who question (as per usual). on most threads, at least.
Tee hee. Well, honestly, can you blame them when Israel says this:
Israel, whose military chief said on Tuesday that Iran could expect to suffer more mysterious mishaps
??
Your consolation is that all those fools blaming Israel are probably inadvertently serving Israeli interests.
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Jack,
when Israel says this
Not really. Someone inside a closed meeting claimed he was quoting Gantz there. but, yeah, maybe that's the game we're playing. Maybe...
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IDF:
You should mention that on the other threads. With a little edge to it, catch m' drift?
:^{)>
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Jack,
should mention that on the other
Thanks, but I think I'll pass on joining the latest let's get Israel bashing session...
I'll offer this instead (from the NYT)
For instance, Karim Sadjadpour, an Iran expert at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said he believed that at least some of the murdered scientists might have been killed by the Iranian government. Some of them had shown sympathy for the Iranian opposition, he said, and not all appeared to have been high-ranking experts.
“I think there is reason to doubt the idea that all the hits have been carried out by Israel,” Mr. Sadjadpour said. “It’s very puzzling that Iranian nuclear scientists, whose movements are likely carefully monitored by the state, can be executed in broad daylight, sometimes in rush-hour traffic, and their culprits never found.”
And
A former senior Israeli security official, who would speak of the covert campaign only in general terms and on the condition of anonymity, said the uncertainty about who was responsible was useful. “It’s not enough to guess,” he said. “You can’t prove it, so you can’t retaliate. When it’s very, very clear who’s behind an attack, the world behaves differently.” NYT
Well played, Israel ;)
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IDF:
Well played, Israel ;)
There ya go! Say that!!
But make the smiley-face a touch more ominous. A wry grin.
Like this:
;-\
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Or add an evil alternate-universe Spock goatee, like this:
:^{)>
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That is what I have been contemplating IDF. Inside job by the Iranians?
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Simplelogic,
Inside job by the Iranians?
Certainly possible.
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Bomb kills Iran nuclear scientist ....
Runt row!
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#3 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:36 PM ESTTAC:
That's it, Scooby! Velma will get to the bottom of this! To the Mystery Machine!
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Jim...Your mission if you decided to accept it is to disrupt the Iranian nuclear program...of course if any of your I enforce is caught or killed the secretary will disavow any knowledge of your actions....good luck Jim...this tape will self destruct in 5 seconds.
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#4 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:44 PM ESTThe Jewish doctors have made great discoveries for the world,..they have found a cure for polio. Best chessplayer in the world probably was Jewish as well. The middle east conflict will never end as long as both sides are taking money from USA (citizens) which is supposed to somehow "solve" the conflict. The conflict must continue as far as the middle east countries are concerned, otherwise, the steady flow of money and aid will be stopped. Isreal most likely bombed the scientist. The long range is not fixed by doing this, ..it only makes the enemies more determned. Ron Paul cuts out most or all of the US aid for every foreign country, which is probably best for every county in the long run.
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#5 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 4:44 PM ESTDidn't anyone pay attention to the fact this man met with the U.N. commission.It's an inside job they kill their own people just to blame it on us.
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#6 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:10 PM ESTmike:
I considered that possibility and there's something to be said for it. I think my theory's better, but ... you could be right.
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I think the Koch brother should be looked at because they are benefiting the most with all this rattling. As the price of oil goes up and more pressure on Obama to approve the pipeline.
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#7 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 5:35 PM ESTIt's Israel.
This is not rocket science. (just killing rocket scientists)
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#8 - Wed Jan 11, 2012 6:40 PM ESTI agree its Israel.
But I don't believe the US is involved at all, not even with intel assistance.
Obama is much too cautious when it comes to Iran to get involved in this type of thing.
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@ Mike #6 I think you are correct. I also thought that Iran coul be targeting these scientists.
What if some of the scientists are not in favor of finishing the nuclear program, and Iran Gov.
just got rid of the problem, while blaming their most vocal enemies. It's clear that noone trusts
these Iranians.
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