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Last Viner Standing Friday Special Topic: Analogical Thinking

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Well, the two political conventions are over and congratulations to all our Newsviners who covered the events in Denver and St. Paul. It's past Labor Day, the conventions are over and it's time for the real campaign to begin.

But there's a problem. The campaign so far has been either too boring or too, too nasty, race card here, gender card there and here, age card here, sell-out card there. But the real issues are too technical and complicated to get excited about. We need to drop the boring and nasty and get the fun and funny back.

So, here is your Last Viner Standing special topic for Friday: Draw an extended analogy of one of the four persons on the two major party tickets. Your analogy may be either disparaging or praising. That gives you eight ways to go, either for or against any one of four people.

The object of your analogy may be animal, vegetable, mineral or phenomenon but it may not be of human form. Maybe Senator Obama is a clown, but since clowns are human, such an object will be disallowed and the entry disqualified. On the other hand, in her Wednesday speech Governor Palin compared herself to a pit bull. Since that is not a human form, such an analogy would be allowed. Strictly as an aside, I know pit bulls are strong and tough and relentless, but don't pit bulls sometimes, you know, eat children?

Actually, that wasn't an aside. Even if you're a Republican, admit it--you laughed. If you push the envelope on your analogy, we should all get good laughs out of every one of the entries. In addition to the usual editorial and technical standards of the LVS contest, entries will be judged on:

1. The originality of the fundamental analogy;

2. The sheer number of different shared attributes you reveal, and

3. The inventiveness of the individual attributes.

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{"commentId":2761964,"authorDomain":"brianford"}

Man, you just *know* if Clinton was still in the race, someone would totally headline their article:

Hillary Clinton is a @!$%#

It's a pun, it fits the animal category, it reflects many people's actual view of Clinton, and could lead to funny writing.

Unfortunately, it'd probably be block-voted off of Newsvine within 20 minutes.

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Reply#1 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 7:19 PM EDT
{"commentId":2762012,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

Brian:

But you didn't specify whether it would be a sympathetic or hostile analogy.

:^{)>

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#1.1 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 7:23 PM EDT
{"commentId":2807645,"authorDomain":"angela593"}

jfxgillis--no literary ace am I so --please do not judge me officially-- This was just for fun.
Thanks
The Little Engine that Could

I think I can, I think I can.
He made his choice
A dream of trust
Believe you can
and you will
Initiate, work and stay on the track
Love a cause, love others
Love yourself
This O Engine carries on
And generates good things
Not perfect
Insecure, a motley past pulls back and threatens
To side track the little engine that can

Ok, now new fuel for fire
Keep moving slow, steady but sure
Don't stagnate
The by stander cheer
Keep going little "O" with integrity and grit

Nay say-ers gather round
You are too new, too black, too other
You will never make it to the goal
He looks up and sees a crowd of many cheering him along
So he continues
Kind to others who believe in good things
Keeping them close by
Do not allow those unproductive thoughts to dominate and pull you down
The standers by spoke up and cheered
Remember "O" this trip is hard
And long
You will make it to the end

Although they warned
There are no guarantees my friend
Life is a gift your currency to spend
You must chose to shape your destiny
Trust and hope, or mistrust and withdraw
Take charge of your self or wallow in shame and compulsion
Fight the good fight of initiative and purpose
Or fall into guilt and inhibition
Learn to work and become competent and build stamina or
Drag along under the influence of inferiority and inertia, seeking the
lowest level
Instead of the great things of which you are capable

So the little engine chugged along
Made the choice to love, care,and exhibit wisdom
If you want to finish this race little engine
Live life to the fullest and never quit
Love deeply.
Work faithfully.
Forgive yourself and others quickly
learn from your mistakes and move on
use what you learn to improve
not get stuck in the past

The little Obama engine that could
Was not a perfect engine
He had a speckled past
But he made it to the end
But did he win?

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#1.2 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 2:44 PM EDT
{"commentId":2807704,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

angela:

Wonderful!

You made my day. I was kinda sorta secretly hoping that maybe somebody would find the challenge intriguing enough to try even without being in the contest.

(I wish I could answer your last question, though)

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#1.3 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 2:50 PM EDT
{"commentId":2807788,"authorDomain":"angela593"}

jfxgillis-- Thanks. It is better that we do not know.
That keeps us all believing and trying like the little engine.
Anyway good art has just the right amount of predictability and surprise, thus, art mimics life, or is it the other way round? Don'tcha just love surprises!

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#1.4 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 2:57 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2762410,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

I love analogies. Expect to see some wacky draws here...

Oh, and I'm assuming that things like "Obama is like a monkey" are out. I would have never done such a thing (I'm Korean, a minority), but I can just see the uproar over one such article.

On the other hand, in her Wednesday speech Governor Palin compared herself to a pit bull. Since that is not a human form, such an analogy would be allowed. Strictly as an aside, I know pit bulls are strong and tough and relentless, but don't pit bulls sometimes, you know, eat children?

Actually, that wasn't an aside. Even if you're a Republican, admit it--you laughed.

OK, fine, I laughed. XD :^{)>.

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Reply#2 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 7:45 PM EDT
{"commentId":2763033,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

Andrew:

If you could slip it past the Racism prohibition in the ToS, I'd like to see someone try.

:^{)>

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#2.1 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 8:28 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2762684,"authorDomain":"thevineofhob"}

but don't pit bulls sometimes, you know, eat children?

Jack, I'm going to have to severely disagree with you here, not in defense of Palin, but in defense of pitbulls. Pitbulls are vastly misunderstood dogs. They are amongst the most loyal and smart dogs and if trained right, they won't hurt a fly. But it is because they are so smart and loyal that @!$%#s train them to be mean or just straight abuse them. When not abused, pitbulls are actually one of the least aggressive breeds.

It is the stereotyping of these dogs as wild, uncontrollable and violent that leads home insurance companies to demand more money to insure pitbull homes, it leads to landlords banning pitbulls outright, and it leads state congressmen to write legislation that would lead to the euthanization of the entire breed in the state.

Find out more about man's best friend, the pitbull.

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Reply#3 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 8:02 PM EDT
{"commentId":2764297,"authorDomain":"sbutki"}

Adam, would it help any if I tell you that it looks like that pitbull line was an, er, bastardization of a John Hagee line?
i.e.

Do you know the difference between a woman with PMS and a snarling Doberman pinscher? The answer is lipstick

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#3.1 - Thu Sep 4, 2008 9:53 PM EDT
{"commentId":2843654,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}

I'm not in this contest, but I have to ask, what about third party candidates? Bob Barr could be compared to a number of animals....or perhaps a rock...?

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#3.2 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 4:46 PM EDT
{"commentId":2843808,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

E.D.:

As in "rock solid" or "dumb as a rock"?

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#3.3 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 4:54 PM EDT
{"commentId":2844396,"authorDomain":"neoconstant"}

As in "rock solid" or "dumb as a rock"?

See the possibilities here?

I meant more his expression, actually. Or perhaps the phrase "you might as well vote for a rock."

Speaking of analogies, did anyone see the South Park in the 2004 elections: "Douche Bag vs. Giant Turd" ?

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#3.4 - Tue Sep 9, 2008 5:23 PM EDT
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{"commentId":2767233,"authorDomain":"mock"}

I may have blown my analogy wad on Wednesday. Hell.

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Reply#4 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 12:51 AM EDT
{"commentId":2769595,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

Steve:

Think of it as dry run. You're a step ahead!

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#4.1 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 7:20 AM EDT
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{"commentId":2768330,"authorDomain":"darkknightjrk"}

Huh. I had a good one going in my head for "best friends," but then I read the "no humans" part and went "Awww." :(

But, I'm sure I can think of something. :)

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Reply#5 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 2:28 AM EDT
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    #5.1 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 12:38 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":2770258,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

    Jack,

    To clarify, you stipulate that it may be positive or negative. But does it have to be one or the other, or can we go for something bit more nuanced?

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    Reply#6 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 8:42 AM EDT
    {"commentId":2770685,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

    Myk:

    Nuanced is fine. I just wanted to emphasize the number of ways to go because contestants might think of it as a too-limited topic.

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    #6.1 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 9:20 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":2773240,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

    Wait, can we go for multiple analogies? Like, "John McCain is a King of Spades, Sarah Palin is Queen of Hearts, and Barack Obama is a Joker"?

    (no, not that lame... I have a good poker one, but I won't spoil it)

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    Reply#7 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 11:25 AM EDT
    {"commentId":2773339,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

    Also, what about comparisons to sports teams? I have a great team for one candidate...

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    #7.1 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 11:28 AM EDT
    {"commentId":2773553,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

    Andrew:

    Well, hmmmmmm. No. I was looking for the analogy to go to a single subject: any one of four people.

    The reason I did that is that when you push the envelope for that third or fourth or seventh or eighth attribute to round out the idea, sometimes you get wonderful insights. For instance (I'm so glad Palin did that because now I have an example to use knowing I can't unknowingly stomp on an article in progress), if we extended the "pit bull" analogy based on the information Adam provided, we might find out something interesting about Palin we hadn't thought of before.

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    #7.2 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 11:35 AM EDT
    {"commentId":2773654,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

    Andrew:

    Oooops. Now you're asking an editorial question, you'll have to answer it yourself. I suppose it depends on whether you decide a sports team is of "human form" (therefore disallowed) or a "phenomenon," (therefore allowed).

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    #7.3 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 11:38 AM EDT
    {"commentId":2773992,"authorDomain":"onlineapps"}

    7.2: cool.
    7.3 OK, I'm going to say "phenomenon", since I'm not looking at the players in the team, but the team itself.

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    #7.4 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 11:47 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":2775091,"authorDomain":"darkside"}

    Barack Obama is a Metaphor.

    That's not the forbidden sort of meta, is it? ;)

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    Reply#8 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 12:16 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2778327,"authorDomain":"angela593"}

    Mc Cain as the

    salmon going up the river for the last time

    is this legal?

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    • 1 vote
    Reply#9 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 1:37 PM EDT
    {"commentId":2779040,"authorDomain":"mock"}

    How appropriate!

    The Wasillan Gull

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      #9.1 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 1:59 PM EDT
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      Reply#10 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 4:02 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2782946,"authorDomain":"angela593"}

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Witch_of_the_North

      Perhaps Mc Cain or Obama as a character in the politicized Wizard of Oz.

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      • 2 votes
      Reply#11 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 4:29 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2788768,"authorDomain":"nancysmith54"}
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      Reply#12 - Fri Sep 5, 2008 9:11 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2792397,"authorDomain":"lele"}

      One question: Are you a participant or a judge... or both? ooohhh..

      One comment: Was the pitbull joke funny? I didn't think it was that funny - and trust me, I'm the kind of person that laughs at a lot... or laughs at everything (depending on who you ask).

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      Reply#13 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 3:22 AM EDT
      {"commentId":2792459,"authorDomain":"darkknightjrk"}

      Eh, I got a little chuckle. :)

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      #13.1 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 3:36 AM EDT
      {"commentId":2794389,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

      Leah:

      Just a judge. I was thinking I might join in for fun, but Friday is too busy a workday.

      Oh, you wound me! But what the hell, I'll recover.

      :^{)>

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      #13.2 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 10:47 AM EDT
      {"commentId":2796498,"authorDomain":"lele"}

      Haha!! I wasn't trying to wound you!

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      #13.3 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 2:19 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":2799591,"authorDomain":"kshowe91"}

      The object of your analogy may be animal, vegetable, mineral or phenomenon

      . a fact, occurrence, or circumstance observed or observable: to study the phenomena of nature. 2. something that is impressive or extraordinary. 3. a remarkable or exceptional person; prodigy; wonder. 4. Philosophy. a. an appearance or immediate object of awareness in experience. b. Kantianism. a thing as it appears to and is constructed by the mind, as distinguished from a noumenon, or thing-in-itself.

      A remarkable or outstanding person; a paragon.

      I think there needs to be a closer look at this....

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      Reply#14 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 7:23 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2799696,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

      Kathleen:

      And I specfically QUALIFIED the challenge by ruling out the very clause you cite in the definition you cite.

      You still have your mulligan which means you're still in the contest.

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      #14.1 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 7:34 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2800142,"authorDomain":"kshowe91"}

      I'm asking if this was a DQ where does a metaphor stand in the contest - animal, vegetable, mineral or phenomenon? A clown can be a person or a person a clown. A cartoon super hero can never be a person and a person can never be a cartoon super hero.

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      #14.2 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 8:22 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2800455,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

      Kathleen:

      A metaphor is a phenomenon of consciousness.

      Speaking as the person who devised the challenge, not as a juror, do you want me to explain why I inserted the prohibition on "human form"?

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      #14.3 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 8:55 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2803037,"authorDomain":"kshowe91"}

      It's fine, I goofed, I just thought that the comparison, analogy of a clown meant this - a human can be a clown and a clown can be a human - although a cartoon superhero can't be a human and vice versa. When the ideology of phenomenon was added to the list of "can be's" I believed my reasoning to be safe because I didn't judge a cartoon superhero that sometimes takes the form of human, but sometimes takes the form of i.e., my comparison a parachute which elastagirl does - how could she be considered human form at all time thus meaning she was a phenomenon.

      I couldn't figure out why phenomenon would be in the mix otherwise. I'm clear - I'm okay - shoot - I was just initially shocked because in MY mind, which admittedly has trouble with structured directions (one reason I am happy to be in this contest, it is a very good exercise for me in following directions) I was okay with the reasoning for elastagirl being allowable as she was fantasy or imagination. I will be even more vigilant in watching every detail of the directions in the future - thanks for helping me understand.

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      #14.4 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 1:21 AM EDT
      {"commentId":2803261,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

      Kathleen:

      Okay, let me explain my reasoning, looking at the last paragraph of your article and a couple of other places within your article.

      I wanted to avoid giving authors the easy out of referencing human personality traits in their object (Elastigirl) to apply to the human subject (Palin). If the character of Elastagirl includes the trait "independent woman," applying that trait to Palin makes it more like a straight comparison than a true analogy.

      What makes it imaginative and possibly insightful is to attribute such traits to objects not of human form, then bring it back to the human subject.

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      #14.5 - Sun Sep 7, 2008 1:56 AM EDT
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      {"commentId":2799636,"authorDomain":"kshowe91"}

      par·a·gon

      1. a model or pattern of excellence or of a particular excellence.

      since when is a cartoon - superhero a person? it's not but it's a "model" - it's not but it is a phenomenon

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      Reply#15 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 7:28 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2799684,"authorDomain":"kshowe91"}

      Oh well such is life... perhaps just an interpretation

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      Reply#16 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 7:33 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2800228,"authorDomain":"kshowe91"}

      Please state the mulligan law so that it's clear in my mind. Was this considered my "sick day"? I just re-read the rules, but didn't see the mulligan clause. Thanks. I'm not good with rules... as in that side of my brain is fried!

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      Reply#17 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 8:31 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2800339,"authorDomain":"jfxgillis"}

      Kathleen:

      Yes.

      Your article DQ counts as your sick day. I think I ended up inserting that into the "Editorial Standards" article because, well, I knew it needed to be clearly articulated and I was writing an article about the rules.

      Myk's article established the initial framework, the schedule and many rules. My article established the editorial standards and a few other rules. As I said a couple of times elsewhere, the idea is to minimize conflict; thus, the rules are as explicit as possible and the jury is set up to rule by unanious or near-unanimous decision on any problems that arise.

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      #17.1 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 8:44 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2800563,"authorDomain":"nancysmith54"}

      Kathleen:
      The rules are clear. If you still don't understand the rules, you can ask a judge about the assignment before you finish your entry.

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      #17.2 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 9:07 PM EDT
      {"commentId":2801535,"authorDomain":"kshowe91"}

      thanks so much for your concern!

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      #17.3 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 10:39 PM EDT
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      {"commentId":2800382,"authorDomain":"kshowe91"}

      Thanks, I appreciate it.

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      Reply#18 - Sat Sep 6, 2008 8:48 PM EDT
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